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LessinSF 08-02-2013 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 481654)
I didn't think it was funny but was willing to chalk it up to an impaired sense of humor on my part if you professed that you didn't mean to impugn my abilities or good faith by implying my clients had erred by hiring me — a "joke" I'll note that I've never considered in-bounds except when it comes from an obvious clown like Hank, who, unlike you, never asks to be taken seriously.

You don't buy my clients' product because you think there's something better on offer, fine, we're good. But I don't think I'm being a whiny-ass bitch by asking whether you really meant that you think I do a daily disservice to my clients or the public in the way I practice law. (Please understand that a certain disproportionality of anger in your posts has never been an effective way of telegraphing that you're joking.)

I say all of the above in the interest of repairing our relationship, not damaging it further.

bullshit. you implied, if not said, that people who don't vote deserve corrupt and incompetent government, i.e. their governors have carte blanche to abuse them and rip them off. With all sincerity, I would fire you if I was your boss.

Atticus Grinch 08-02-2013 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 481657)
bullshit. you implied, if not said, that people who don't vote deserve corrupt and incompetent government, i.e. their governors have carte blanche to abuse them and rip them off. With all sincerity, I would fire you if I was your boss.

No, I said that the political system is effective at giving people what they voted for, NOT what they deserve. I don't think you quite understand how much of my day is spent aligning What The People Have Said They Want with another, apparently contradictory, Thing The People Have Said They Want. It's my job and every time you don't read about my clients it means I have done it well. When you DO read about them, well, I guess you'll never know what I advised them and whether they followed it.

But by all means run for office, Less.

ETA I thought you were a self-described First Amendment absolutist? So much for that, I guess.

Flinty_McFlint 08-02-2013 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 481654)
I didn't think it was funny but was willing to chalk it up to an impaired sense of humor on my part if you professed that you didn't mean to impugn my abilities or good faith by implying my clients had erred by hiring me — a "joke" I'll note that I've never considered in-bounds except when it comes from an obvious clown like Hank, who, unlike you, never asks to be taken seriously.

You don't buy my clients' product because you think there's something better on offer, fine, we're good. But I don't think I'm being a whiny-ass bitch by asking whether you really meant that you think I do a daily disservice to my clients or the public in the way I practice law. (Please understand that a certain disproportionality of anger in your posts has never been an effective way of telegraphing that you're joking.)

I say all of the above in the interest of repairing our relationship, not damaging it further.

Fellas, fellas. You're both special and pretty. There are many things to get upset about in this world. Inequality, wholesale loss of privacy, taxes. I think I speak for all of us when I say that when it comes down to it, we all more alike than different. And in that spirit, I say, "Fuck You Hank," from the bottom of my heart.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 08-02-2013 06:27 PM

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Perhaps he wanted to give you something new to complain about for years in perpetuity?

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 481648)
Not to be a timmy, but if you use "perpetuity," the "years" serves no purpose in your sentence.

Hank, the "not" and "but" are unnecessary as well.

Still, good work.

LessinSF 08-02-2013 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 481658)
No, I said that the political system is effective at giving people what they voted for, NOT what they deserve. I don't think you quite understand how much of my day is spent aligning What The People Have Said They Want with another, apparently contradictory, Thing The People Have Said They Want. It's my job and every time you don't read about my clients it means I have done it well. When you DO read about them, well, I guess you'll never know what I advised them and whether they followed it.

But by all means run for office, Less.

Not if jt means I have to deal with dissembling employees like you. Go back and read what you actually wrote - to quote "People get the government they ask for." Ultimately, your clients are those people, and you justify screwing them because you dont respect their indifference. Yet, as a public servant, you should be doing your best despite their ennui, not justifying malfeasance.

Hank Chinaski 08-02-2013 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 481661)
Not if jt means I have to deal with dissembling employees like you. Go back and read what you actually wrote - to quote "People get the government they ask for." Ultimately, your clients are those people, and you justify screwing them because you dont respect their indifference. Yet, as a public servant, you should be doing your best despite their ennui, not justifying malfeasance.

to be fair, and for that matter to minimize the chilling effect on an already dead board, my original post spoke of the policy decisions made by elected officials. I don't recall seeing "Grinch is the One!" campaign signs last time in the area.

Atticus Grinch 08-02-2013 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 481661)
Not if jt means I have to deal with dissembling employees like you. Go back and read what you actually wrote - to quote "People get the government they ask for." Ultimately, your clients are those people, and you justify screwing them because you dont respect their indifference. Yet, as a public servant, you should be doing your best despite their ennui, not justifying malfeasance.

Oh, I get it. This is just another example of "If you believe A then you must also believe B because all the imaginary people in my head who believe A also believe B." So no amount of my disputing that I believe B will do any good, because the people in your head have your full attention. Good luck with that.

LessinSF 08-02-2013 07:51 PM

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Oh, I get it. This is just another example of "If you believe A then you must also believe B because all the imaginary people in my head who believe A also believe B." So no amount of my disputing that I believe B will do any good, because the people in your head have your full attention. Good luck with that.

I will take that as an admission that you are unwilling, as, an employee of the people, to admit my points. Plus, we will ignore your fallacy that these people "asked" for anything. These are people who did not vote, i.e. they did not "ask" for anything. In sum. It appears that you are a technocrat who despises the people he works for. Unfortunately, they are getting a government they do not deserve: yours.

Atticus Grinch 08-02-2013 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 481662)
to be fair, and for that matter to minimize the chilling effect on an already dead board, my original post spoke of the policy decisions made by elected officials. I don't recall seeing "Grinch is the One!" campaign signs last time in the area.

Apparently I do evil by defending the acts of a recently elected or re-elected government when it does "evil," but I'm not allowed to use election results to clue me in to what is evil and what is good. Because apparently those things are known and obvious — apparently better known and more obvious when you're in the armchair.

Would it calm the hyenas to know that if someone commits an honest-to-god crime, it's not my role to defend that person, but rather the job of the criminal defense bar, who are strangely unscathed in this discussion of enabling evil and allowing it to go unpunished?

Atticus Grinch 08-02-2013 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 481664)
I will take that an admission that you are unwilling, as an employee of the people, to admit that you think you are what they asked for. A technocrat who despises the people he works for. Unfortunately, they afe getti.g a government they do not deserve.

Actually, when I say people get the government they ask for, they're getting top-notch services from my jurisdiction, as evidenced by our astronomical housing prices. Your jurisdiction is entirely your problem.

People say they want a government of laws, not men, and then "technocrat" is somehow an insult? Bite my shiny metal ass.

LessinSF 08-02-2013 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 481638)
People get the goovernment they ask for. Whether it's also the government they deserve is too philosophical a question even for me. But at this po:oint I hear anyone who says their government sucks in the same clinical way that an economist hears a consumer saying the price they just paid for something was "too high."

This is an apology, a justification and an admission of accepted suckitude, corruption incompetence and failure. Plus, your analogy fails because there is no market for someone doing a better job than the DMV. PDs often do a great job at less pay than shitty DAs. Etc. But the atttude that - you didn't vote - we can fuck you one way from tomorrow is, well, disconcerting from a public employee.

LessinSF 08-02-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 481666)
Actually, when I say people get the government they ask for, they're getting top-notch services from my jurisdiction, as evidenced by our astronomical housing prices. Your jurisdiction is entirely your problem.

People say they want a government of laws, not men, and then "technocrat" is somehow an insult? Bite my shiny metal ass.

Nice semantic attempt, mostly showing that you cannot fairly address what you originally said and meant, to back and fill further degrading your credibilty to the audience. Free advice - NEVER appear in front of an appellate court.

LessinAndorraLaVella

Hank Chinaski 08-02-2013 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 481667)
This is an apology, a justification and an admission of accepted suckitude, corruption incompetence and failure. Plus, your analogy fails because there is no market for someone doing a better job than the DMV. PDs often do a great job at less pay than shitty DAs. Etc. But the atttude that - you didn't vote - we can fuck you one way from tomorrow is, well, disconcerting from a public employee.

it's 2 am, (or 3) where you're at? AG gets too much shite here. He didn't say anything that justifies what you are posting. Hate on me, if you need to hate. Look at flinty, no one is bothered by him.

Icky Thump 08-02-2013 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 481656)
And I thought of this - http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zIom3LS...%3DzIom3LSbB0I .

LessinAndorraLaVella

My son made fun of me. Until he watched the first episode of Breaking Bad. He didn't come out of his room until he watched the last episode of Breaking Bad.

Hank Chinaski 08-02-2013 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Icky Thump (Post 481670)
My son made fun of me. Until he watched the first episode of Breaking Bad. He didn't come out of his room until he watched the last episode of Breaking Bad.

family guy is the stupidest thing ever, BB and the wire are both top 5 TV.

Icky you and i are 2 of the 3 socks published here, we know that Family Guy is pablum, just for people who pose to be above pablum.


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