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Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 07-09-2009 12:37 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 394365)
Yeah, that struck me too. Motherfuckers.

This kind of incident makes me wish that every American could visit my gym. In the four years I've been going there I've never seen anything racist (or sexist). People just don't seem to give a shit. Makes me feel a little better when I see shit like this.

I read an article on what RT posted yesterday, and the comments were absolutely appalling. I'm not going back there to link to it, but it made me feel sick.

Oedipulist fuck.

Your gym sounds like a nice place. People of all sexes and colors just kicking and beating the shit out of each other. That's what America is all about.

As a matter of fact, it reminds me of my family. Without grandma's racial slurs.

Secret_Agent_Man 07-09-2009 12:55 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 394328)
Are they in a time warp where it is the 1950s or 60s? Their lawyers have to be struggling to find a way to make this sound other than what it is. Otherwise those little black kids are gonna end up owning that club after their discrimination suit.
Unless I've missed some changes in the law, private clubs are allowed to discriminate -- even on reprehensible grounds. (Although there are still ways to attack them for it.) This is sure as heck not the only swim club/country club in the Philly Suburbs with a no minorities policy.

Best hope is that the publicity might embarrass enough of the members and management to force some slow changes.

S_A_M

Flinty_McFlint 07-09-2009 12:57 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 394366)
I'll admit that, at first glance, Thurgreed's post appeared to be as superfluous as your "cocksucking prick" to "fucking dickbag" translation. But go back and read Hank's post carefully and you may begin to question whether you, in fact, are the racist here. Or at least whether you are someone who inappropriately rushes to judgment against white clubs that kick black kids out after racists comments by their members, and mistakenly explain their actions in racially suspect terms.
I like you.

greatwhitenorthchick 07-09-2009 01:22 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Secret_Agent_Man (Post 394368)
This is sure as heck not the only swim club/country club in the Philly Suburbs with a no minorities policy.


S_A_M
I guess Obama would be shown to the kitchen and given an apron if he showed up there.

Hank Chinaski 07-09-2009 01:24 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 394360)
I like the explanation that they didn't want all those kids around, so people started taking their kids out of the pool as soon as the kids showed up.

Yes, indeed.
actually, my point was the story is different from yesterday. I think today there were fewer things alleged like you now allege. I also think openly ignorant racists, like the ones doing obama election mock ups that we've seen here, are far less dangerous than educated racists who hide their beliefs. I do believe that educated racists hide their beliefs for the most part, and if the guy made the word choice intending to refer to black people, he had to know it would hit papers- I mean he was talkign to a reporter, right?

Thus, when a guy who runs a private club in northeast Philly says "complexion" I believe there is a chance he made a really bad word choice, BECAUSE, and hold on tight, a really racist educated guy making the decision to exclude people based on race who be really careful to not make such a loaded word choice.

that said, is it possible that the decision was driven by members who were freaked out that the club had let in a bunch of black kids? yes, sure.

and, in fact, the way I can best see "complexion" meaning race is the guy who said it was ordered to kick the kids out because a few members freaked, and was making the word choice intentionally to signal what his superior had ordered him to do, and against his wishes. again, a guy who is so backward as to choose the word the way you seem to accept would not have signed the camp up in the first place.

but, rather than attempt to bring any nuance here, let me retract all of my prior post, and substitute this: racism is bad.

e.o.m.

Shape Shifter 07-09-2009 01:37 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 394351)
I don't think this needed a translation. Their point was fairly obvious.

Example:

Initial Statement: "You're a fucking cocksucking prick."

Translation: "Fuck you you fucking dickbag."

See. Unnecessary.

A fucking cocksucking prick is entirely different from a fucking dickbag.

ThurgreedMarshall 07-09-2009 01:59 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 394372)
actually, my point was the story is different from yesterday. I think today there were fewer things alleged like you now allege. I also think openly ignorant racists, like the ones doing obama election mock ups that we've seen here, are far less dangerous than educated racists who hide their beliefs. I do believe that educated racists hide their beliefs for the most part, and if the guy made the word choice intending to refer to black people, he had to know it would hit papers- I mean he was talkign to a reporter, right?

Thus, when a guy who runs a private club in northeast Philly says "complexion" I believe there is a chance he made a really bad word choice, BECAUSE, and hold on tight, a really racist educated guy making the decision to exclude people based on race who be really careful to not make such a loaded word choice.

that said, is it possible that the decision was driven by members who were freaked out that the club had let in a bunch of black kids? yes, sure.

and, in fact, the way I can best see "complexion" meaning race is the guy who said it was ordered to kick the kids out because a few members freaked, and was making the word choice intentionally to signal what his superior had ordered him to do, and against his wishes. again, a guy who is so backward as to choose the word the way you seem to accept would not have signed the camp up in the first place.

but, rather than attempt to bring any nuance here, let me retract all of my prior post, and substitute this: racism is bad.

e.o.m.
Don't be so wounded. It seems pretty clear that this club's management (whether they were acting on their members' wishes or not) didn't want a bunch of black kids swimming in their pool. Whether or not the statement regarding the club's complexion was overtly racist or not is completely besides the point. The actions are what is so egregious. The statement, whether mistakenly made to sound racist or not, is just icing on the cake. The fact that you're going so out of your way to try to find alternate reasons why they would throw out a bunch of black kids they knew were coming just seems silly.

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 07-09-2009 02:09 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 394376)
Don't be so wounded. It seems pretty clear that this club's management (whether they were acting on their members' wishes or not) didn't want a bunch of black kids swimming in their pool. Whether or not the statement regarding the club's complexion was overtly racist or not is completely besides the point. The actions are what is so egregious. The statement, whether mistakenly made to sound racist or not, is just icing on the cake. The fact that you're going so out of your way to try to find alternate reasons why they would throw out a bunch of black kids they knew were coming just seems silly.

TM
I think Hank is just parsing through who is guilty here, and pointing out that it may be that management may not be a bunch of racist fuckwads but instead the tools of racist fuckwads. And that the members who are the real racists probably don't think of themselves as such.

Poor Hank. I get the feeling he's been a tool for bad behavior himself.

Hank Chinaski 07-09-2009 02:12 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 394377)
I get the feeling he's been a tool for bad behavior himself.
can you find me one lawyer that cleared $50K last year who hasn't?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 07-09-2009 02:15 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 394378)
can you find me one lawyer that cleared $50K last year who hasn't?
Excluding young biglaw associates who have just sat in their office drafting crap that got thrown out or sat in warehouses going through crap no one really cares about?


No.

Hank Chinaski 07-09-2009 02:16 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 394376)
Don't be so wounded. It seems pretty clear that this club's management (whether they were acting on their members' wishes or not) didn't want a bunch of black kids swimming in their pool. Whether or not the statement regarding the club's complexion was overtly racist or not is completely besides the point. The actions are what is so egregious. The statement, whether mistakenly made to sound racist or not, is just icing on the cake. The fact that you're going so out of your way to try to find alternate reasons why they would throw out a bunch of black kids they knew were coming just seems silly.

TM
I agree, i was just challenging the emphasis on the statement- and as to the exception that a private club can be as excluding as it wants, I'm not sure (and we'll have to allow atticus a few hours to read up and become an expert to get the final answer), but when a private club enters a contract, then breaches for discriminator reasons, well maybe you are getting closer to something actionable.

LessinSF 07-09-2009 04:07 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 394379)
Excluding young biglaw associates who have just sat in their office drafting crap that got thrown out or sat in warehouses going through crap no one really cares about?


No.
Someone poke Sidd for his annual "I love what I do" speech.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 07-09-2009 04:18 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 394392)
Someone poke Sidd for his annual "I love what I do" speech.
I only go for that speech on the 15th of the month. Let's hold off until then.

Fugee 07-09-2009 04:27 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adder (Post 394342)
I guess it is possible that "There was concern that a lot of kids would change the complexion . . . and the atmosphere of the club." was just extraordinarily poor word choice to say, "there were too many of them and it was too crowded" but I am skeptical.
65 kids sounded like a lot of kids when I was thinking of a pool like the one at my YMCA. But this swim club sounds like its a whole lot bigger:
Quote:
The club includes more than 10 acres of land and a 110,000-gallon pool,
And if the number was an issue, they could have made a contract limiting the number of kids they could bring on any one day.

Adder 07-09-2009 04:30 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 394396)
65 kids sounded like a lot of kids when I was thinking of a pool like the one at my YMCA. But this swim club sounds like its a whole lot bigger:
And if the number was an issue, they could have made a contract limiting the number of kids they could bring on any one day.
I have no concept of how big an 110,000 gallon pool is.

Hank Chinaski 07-09-2009 04:34 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 394392)
Someone poke Sidd for his annual "I love what I do" speech.
I love what i do too, but I am often a tool for the ill-intentioned.

still, just last month I took down a very evil international company that had a plan in place to extrot money that Don Corleone would have admired, so that helps a little (pm if interested for details)

ThurgreedMarshall 07-09-2009 04:39 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adder (Post 394399)
I have no concept of how big an 110,000 gallon pool is.
This one supposedly holds 50,000 and ranges from 3 - 9 feet deep.

http://www.kentuckylakeresort.com/pool.jpg

But that is neither here nor there because if you contract for a certain number of kids to be able to use the pool and you know your capacity, the number of kids who then show up can't really be the excuse.

TM

Shape Shifter 07-09-2009 04:42 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adder (Post 394399)
I have no concept of how big an 110,000 gallon pool is.
1,173,333.33333333 beers.

Adder 07-09-2009 04:48 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shape Shifter (Post 394404)
1,173,333.33333333 beers.
Now I get it. So, like a decent long weekend then?

taxwonk 07-09-2009 05:09 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adder (Post 394405)
Now I get it. So, like a decent long weekend then?
I'd be more inclined to fill my pool with water, but I've long noted you're "special."

Fugee 07-09-2009 05:14 PM
Venting
 
Grand jury sucks. It's worse when the autopsy photos are the easiest thing to handle. And it's an emotional case you can't talk about with anyone. That's all.

Shape Shifter 07-09-2009 05:14 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adder (Post 394405)
Now I get it. So, like a decent long weekend then?

That would only be about 18,000 beers per kid. That may be why they didn't want them there.

LessinSF 07-09-2009 05:22 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shape Shifter (Post 394408)
That would only be about 18,000 beers per kid. That may be why they didn't want them there.
Oh, the urinity.

Replaced_Texan 07-09-2009 05:35 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 394392)
Someone poke Sidd for his annual "I love what I do" speech.
Speaking of, I saw this and thought of you.

LessinSF 07-09-2009 07:00 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 394410)
Speaking of, I saw this and thought of you.
That's awesome. I just might apply, depending upon my mood come October.

LessinSF 07-09-2009 08:03 PM
Laura
 
Big Brother 8 starts tonight, and there is at least one reason to watch:

http://www.hotmodels4hire.com/photos/426_4.jpg

http://www.tropicbeauty.com/images/m...sby_laura1.jpg

Secret_Agent_Man 07-09-2009 11:41 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 394371)
I guess Obama would be shown to the kitchen and given an apron if he showed up there.
No, he's mixed race, relatively light-skinned (and powerful), so they'd let him in on a Visitror's Pass to show how tolerant and openminded they really are. This isn't Augusta National after all.

S_A_M

Secret_Agent_Man 07-09-2009 11:42 PM
Re: Wtf?
 
Quote:
Poor Hank. I get the feeling he's been a tool for bad behavior himself.
On a Board of lawyers, I'd bet that number runs close to 99%.

S_A_M

Hank Chinaski 07-10-2009 06:46 AM
conf. to Thurgreed
 
http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-gb search for Cemetery Junction

ThurgreedMarshall 07-10-2009 09:40 AM
Re: conf. to Thurgreed
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 394420)
http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=en-gb search for Cemetery Junction
Don't even know what it's about and I'm sold.

TM

greatwhitenorthchick 07-10-2009 10:46 AM
So
 
My old crush has a very ugly new girlfriend. I mean, she is just not hot at all. It puzzles me. I guess he is not what Patti Stanger would term a "superficialist". I think I am one of those.

She appears to be no older than 20 though. Maybe that is the draw.

Hank Chinaski 07-10-2009 11:18 AM
Re: So
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 394422)
My old crush has a very ugly new girlfriend. I mean, she is just not hot at all. It puzzles me. I guess he is not what Patti Stanger would term a "superficialist". I think I am one of those.

She appears to be no older than 20 though. Maybe that is the draw.
once you've climbed Everest all other land seem the same elevation?

Adder 07-10-2009 11:29 AM
Re: So
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 394423)
once you've climbed Everest all other land seem the same elevation?
Since she used the word "crush," I assumed that the gentleman in question never did climb the towering mountain thingie that is Gwinky.

greatwhitenorthchick 07-10-2009 11:31 AM
Re: So
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adder (Post 394424)
Since she used the word "crush," I assumed that the gentleman in question never did climb the towering mountain thingie that is Gwinky.
Oh yeah he did. Many times. He wasn't a boyfriend though. Not even really a fuck buddy because it was too random for that.

Adder 07-10-2009 11:56 AM
Re: So
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 394425)
Oh yeah he did. Many times. He wasn't a boyfriend though. Not even really a fuck buddy because it was too random for that.
I stand corrected, and Hank's theory must be right.

In other news, I have to stop hanging with the wrong crowd.

Fugee 07-10-2009 12:09 PM
Re: So
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Adder (Post 394424)
climb the towering mountain thingie that is Gwinky.
No wonder you never get laid. Smooth talker, hunh.

Shape Shifter 07-10-2009 12:12 PM
Re: So
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 394427)
No wonder you never get laid.

He should try hiking the Appalachian Trail.

futbol fan 07-10-2009 01:02 PM
Re: So
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shape Shifter (Post 394428)
He should try hiking the Appalachian Trail.
The Appalachian Trail is where you go to find your soulmate. I think Adder is looking for something a little more casual. Somewhere between soulmate and airport restroom hookup. That's just the vibe I get, though.

Flinty_McFlint 07-10-2009 01:02 PM
Re: So
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 394422)
My old crush has a very ugly new girlfriend. I mean, she is just not hot at all. It puzzles me. I guess he is not what Patti Stanger would term a "superficialist". I think I am one of those.

She appears to be no older than 20 though. Maybe that is the draw.
Sorry babe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YImKA...eature=related

greatwhitenorthchick 07-10-2009 01:18 PM
Re: So
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flinty_McFlint (Post 394430)

Yeah. I mean, she even has ugly eyebrows. How can I compete with that?

I should note that I have an awesome boyfriend and am very happy with all the sex and the relationship and do not want this guy back. But still.


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