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Gattigap 07-07-2010 12:56 PM
Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 427990)
Why would you justify the stupid premise? The announcement will be all over everything within 30 seconds. If you want to see him make it, tune in for the last 10 minutes or Tivo it. He's not going to announce it in the first 45 minutes--who among the idiots watching would keep watching after that?

Well, you know, I might miss a cool highlight or something.

Adder 07-07-2010 12:58 PM
Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 427968)
I haven't watched the wire. But if you can only come up with that one example, you're highlighting an issue.

On TV, I think it's the industry (see atticus). In novels, I think it's something else.
It isn't high art, but James Patterson has written quite successfully about black characters in his Alex Cross novels. I think with a reasonable degree of authenticity, at least in the context of a pulp detective novel.

That said, I'm not sure there is much reason to care whether white writers are writing novels with convincing minority characters, as long as minority authors are getting published (and writing characters from their communities). As the work of a single creator, I think its a bit much to expect authors to strive for diversity for its own sake.

The same excuses, however, do not apply to the collaborative productions of tv and movies.

Atticus Grinch 07-07-2010 01:00 PM
Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 427991)
Agreed. There is no doubt in my mind that every generation is a serious improvement on the last when it comes to this stuff. I might die happy in 40 years.

By the way, speaking about being happy, is it a bad sign that I am officially obsessed with House? I'm working my way through the early seasons. What a brilliant show and character.
Well, it's a serious improvement on the last generation of doctor shows that you watched.

Fugee 07-07-2010 01:03 PM
Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 427986)
I agree with everything in your post. I quoted this not to disagree with it, but to observe that the second half of the 20th century will be remembered for requiring people who do make that choice not to answer to or interact with people of color (or Jews or women) to give up large chunks of their participation in society generally -- they cannot be in the military; they cannot be schoolteachers; they increasingly cannot be police officers or elected officials. They cannot own a business unless they locate it where the demographers say there are no people of color.

So white folks can "choose" not to engage with black folks and Hispanic folks, but the costs of that choice have risen exponentially, and not all of it has risen by government fiat, which is pretty cool.
It all depends on where you live -- one could live in most of Minnesota (and I suspect nearly all of No/SoDak) and have little interaction with non-whites.

My life is significantly more homogenous than it was when I lived in NYC -- my burb is overwhelmingly white and if I go to my home town, it is almost entirely white. I think it would be pretty easy to find places across the country that would minimize or eliminate the need to interact with people of color -- you'd just have to stay out of the South and cities.

Hank Chinaski 07-07-2010 01:04 PM
Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 427964)
I found TM's comments about the play interesting. And not at all surprising, given my own feelings about David Mamet.

But Jesus H, the level of white-guilt it has prompted is ridiculous.
Actually i said people of one race have trouble writing non-one-dimensional characters of another race, limited to the issue of race.

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I will summarize: White people are bad.
i invented saying tihs summaraizes most PB socks' posts on race.

Hank Chinaski 07-07-2010 01:07 PM
Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 427990)
Why would you justify the stupid premise? The announcement will be all over everything within 30 seconds. If you want to see him make it, tune in for the last 10 minutes or Tivo it. He's not going to announce it in the first 45 minutes--who among the idiots watching would keep watching after that?
read a competing sports blogs at 5 pm and see who is in town with him.

ThurgreedMarshall 07-07-2010 01:08 PM
Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 427995)
Well, it's a serious improvement on the last generation of doctor shows that you watched.
The last generation of doctor shows had complex, authentic and interesting black characters. But I identify more with House's outlook.

TM

Atticus Grinch 07-07-2010 01:22 PM
Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 428001)
The last generation of doctor shows had complex, authentic and interesting black characters. But I identify more with House's outlook.
That was my attempt at a princess phone joke. I've never seen a single episode of either House or Gray's Anatomy so I don't know whereof I speak. The last MD show I watched was the third season of Scrubs when all of a sudden I realized it was a totally shit ripoff of Family Guy's only joke. Before that you'd have to go as far back as ER, whatever year they crashed the helicopter (the first time).

Tyrone Slothrop 07-07-2010 01:25 PM
Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 427996)
It all depends on where you live -- one could live in most of Minnesota (and I suspect nearly all of No/SoDak) and have little interaction with non-whites.

My life is significantly more homogenous than it was when I lived in NYC -- my burb is overwhelmingly white and if I go to my home town, it is almost entirely white. I think it would be pretty easy to find places across the country that would minimize or eliminate the need to interact with people of color -- you'd just have to stay out of the South and cities.
You don't have some Missouri Synod folks to keep things interesting?

Tyrone Slothrop 07-07-2010 01:26 PM
Re: The thread where Spring has sprung, and Penske has risen from the law. Word!
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 428000)
read a blog
Words to live by, really.

Hank Chinaski 07-07-2010 01:26 PM
Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 428001)
The last generation of doctor shows had complex, authentic and interesting black characters. But I identify more with House's outlook.

TM
translation: I learned to beat off to Lisa Bonet

Gattigap 07-07-2010 01:30 PM
Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by Fugee (Post 427996)
I think it would be pretty easy to find places across the country that would minimize or eliminate the need to interact with people of color -- you'd just have to stay out of the South and cities.

Or the Southwest, or big chunks of the Pacific Coast.

But I take your general point. I'm sure there are big parts of Rural America which are pretty monochromatic.

Atticus Grinch 07-07-2010 01:33 PM
Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 428007)
translation: I learned to beat off to Lisa Bonet
Laugh it up, fuzzball, but the whitest women I know want to fuck the bejeezus out of the guy in the Old Spice ads. Oh, and now Old Spice is being shilled by a shirtless black guy. We may not be in a postracial society, but beating off to Lisa Bonet circa 1989 is just good sense.

ThurgreedMarshall 07-07-2010 01:34 PM
Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 428004)
That was my attempt at a princess phone joke. I've never seen a single episode of either House or Gray's Anatomy so I don't know whereof I speak. The last MD show I watched was the third season of Scrubs when all of a sudden I realized it was a totally shit ripoff of Family Guy's only joke. Before that you'd have to go as far back as ER, whatever year they crashed the helicopter (the first time).
I realize you were joking. But I thought I'd mention the black characters in Gray's Anatomy because it is the perfect example of a black writer writing both black and white characters (some would argue well -- I suppose I wouldn't because after watching two seasons, and thinking about it some more, her white characters really are nothing more than cardboard soap opera cut-outs). The asian character could be any color. But I found her black doctors to be a little more complex and nuanced. I lost interest when Isaiah Washington's character was eliminated.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 07-07-2010 01:35 PM
Re: Race
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 428007)
translation: I learned to beat off to Lisa Bonet
Learned?

Wait a second. Is Lisa Bonet now on House? I'm only on Season 3.

TM


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