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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Can't challenge your experience, but there are a not insignificant number of people who work at CIA who can say they do. For example, lawyers in the GC's office have told me what they do, at least in general terms (e.g., I work on south america issues or FOIA requests). So, the fact that someone works at CIA does not necessarily make them covert or clandestine, or even not public knowledge. Although Bilmore and I disagree whether Plame was in the known category (she at least could tell Wilson initially only because he had a security clearnance).

2. I was at a party given by a friend who worked at CIA and acknowledged as much. The whole party was people who said they worked at CIA. They just couldn't talk about what they did there.

ltl/fb

07-12-2005 12:55 PM

Everything Bimore Needs to Know, He Learned in Kindergarten

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
2. I was at a party given by a friend who worked at CIA and acknowledged as much. The whole party was people who said they worked at CIA. They just couldn't talk about what they did there.

3. A friend who worked at the CIA, when he worked at the CIA, "looked at pictures." Very informative. But, he was not working overseas, and he was not covert.

bilmore

07-12-2005 12:55 PM

Everything Bimore Needs to Know, He Learned in Kindergarten

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But if you had left, they could have. Didn't that make you feel like a wet blanket?

bilmore

07-12-2005 12:56 PM

I love Chris Hitchens when he's mad.

He's mad a lot lately.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2122395/

Penske_Account

07-12-2005 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by bilmore
I love Chris Hitchens when he's mad.

He's mad a lot lately.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2122395/

The left hates him because he acknowled and corroborated the dirty truth of the lies and crimes of the Clintons. I applaud his courage and moral strength. Panda and some of the other liberals here could do well to take him as a role model.

sebastian_dangerfield

07-12-2005 01:01 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!

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Originally posted by bilmore
One of the strongest arguments raised by the southern slave-owners who fought to keep their slaves was that they had invested lots and lots of money in them, and they owned them - they even had titles, and registries. Any attempt to divest them of their own property was unconstitutional. Taken on its face, alone, that assertion was correct.

They missed the fact that sometimes rights collide, and then we need to decide which one, in justice and fairness, trumps the other.

In that case, it was decided that, contrary to the slave owners' assertions, the slaves were actually people, with their own rights, and a claim of property right had to yield to a right to freedom from slavery.

An excellent argument...

If women gestated children in a barn or field, the way land owners used slaves.

BUT, alas, women must carry children in their wombs - an infringement on their bodies in no way comparable to Southerner's slave ownership.*

Try again. Your best argument, which you'll never use because you'll get it shoved up your ass here and just about anywhere else a woman could hear it, is to say "I believe a gestating fetus has more rights than the mother in which its gestating."

But you'll never say that, because thats a dead lock loser, and would expose the noxious sexist shitass logic behind 90% of the pro life movement. Ohhh, I just said it for you, didn't I? No, not really... everyone's known the pro life movt inherently devalues women. Who'd you ever think you were kidding?

*I'm not addressing the cheapness of your trying to steal the moral high ground by likening abortion to slavery, which it most certainly is not.

Hank Chinaski

07-12-2005 01:02 PM

Bell can't be un-rung

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
No damages. He's in a "better place" now. The state will be calling St. Peter as an expert.

Here for all to see is the full arrogance of the blue stater. It is hard to reach the kingdom of heaven Sebastian, but you are right that there are no damages for he is either there, or contributorially negligent.

bilmore

07-12-2005 01:03 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
*Notwithstanding the offensiveness of your trying to steal the moral high ground by likening abortion to slavery, which is most certainly not.

True. Many slaves survived infancy.

Penske_Account

07-12-2005 01:04 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
An excellent argument...

If women gestated children in a barn or field, the way land owners used slaves.

BUT, alas, women must carry children in their wombs - an infringement on their bodies in no way comparable to Southerner's slave ownership.*

Try again. Your best argument, which you'll never use because you'll get it shoved up your ass here and just about anywhere else a woman could hear it, is to say "I believe a gestating fetus has more rights than the mother in which its gestating."

But you'll never say that, because thats a dead lock loser, and would expose the noxious sexist shitass logic behind 90% of the pro life movement. Ohhh, I just said it for you, didn't I? No, not really... everyone's known the pro life movt inherently devalues women. Who'd you ever think you were kidding?

*Notwithstanding the offensiveness of your trying to steal the moral high ground by likening abortion to slavery, which is most certainly not.

Dissent. In most cases, it is not an infringement but a voluntary condition. Rights carry responsbilities, why are the liberals so scared of the latter?

sebastian_dangerfield

07-12-2005 01:04 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!

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Originally posted by bilmore
True. Many slaves survived infancy.

Checkmate.

sebastian_dangerfield

07-12-2005 01:07 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
Dissent. In most cases, it is not an infringement but a voluntary condition. Rights carry responsbilities, why are the liberals so scared of the latter?

When the female half of the country agrees with that (since they are the only ones qualified to even comment on it), I'll agree. Until then, I'd suggest folks with dicks shut the fuck up about what women should not be allowed to do with their vaginas. You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about, so you are obligated, as a matter of logic and decency to let those who do decide for themselves.

Hank Chinaski

07-12-2005 01:09 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
When the female half of the country agrees with that (since they are the only ones qualified to even comment on it), I'll agree. Until then, I'd suggest folks with dicks shut the fuck up about what women can or can't do with their vaginas. You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about, so you are obligated, as a matter of logic and decency to let those who do decide for themselves.

I think Penske is just trying to lose the whole metrosexual stank with this argument. Don't let him get you worked up when he doesn't even care.

Penske_Account

07-12-2005 01:11 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
When the female half of the country agrees with that (since they are the only ones qualified to even comment on it), I'll agree. Until then, I'd suggest folks with dicks shut the fuck up about what women can or can't do with their vaginas. You don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about, so you are obligated, as a matter of logical and decency to let those who do decide for themselves.

This makes no sense for several reasons.

1. Some percentage of woman are anti-abortion. Assuming your logic i think we would have to survey only those women who have been pregnant to see what the opinion numbers are. I don't have a cite, do you?

2. I don't need to be have been a slave to understand that slavery is an abomination and an inexcusable infringement on the human rights of a slave, just as I don't have to have carried an infant within me to know infanticide when I see it.

Penske_Account

07-12-2005 01:13 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I think Penske is just trying to lose the whole metrosexual stank with this argument. Don't let him get you worked up when he doesn't even care.

Hank, metrosexual is so 2002, I am gay vague now-I can't get pregnant.

bilmore

07-12-2005 01:13 PM

Das anti-Kapitalists!

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Originally posted by Penske_Account
This makes no sense for several reasons.

1. Some percentage of woman are anti-abortion. Assuming your logic i think we would have to survey only those women who have been pregnant to see what the opinion numbers are. I don't have a cite, do you?

2. I don't need to be have been a slave to understand that slavery is an abomination and an inexcusable infringement on the human rights of a slave, just as I don't have to have carried an infant within me to know infanticide when I see it.

I think he means that only slaveowners should have had a say in the course of abolition.

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