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LessinSF2 01-25-2017 05:30 PM

Re: Dead Cat Bounce
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 505384)
I don't know if he's heading for a brick wall, but we're going to have new and different sets of winners and losers. I'm guessing real estate developers will be winners. Oil will certainly be a winner. Maybe banks, at least some of them, have a shot at being winners.

He'll try to make manufacturing winners, but it won't work because he's fighting the market. I'm not betting on many winners from tech, biotech or communications.

Which is too bad, because those are the growth industries globally. But for the US, it will be the last Hay Day of the old economy.

Hey! I can post from work again.

Although the legal landscape may be worse, I am still betting on marijuana stocks as winners under Trump.

Not Bob 01-25-2017 05:30 PM

Re: You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 505382)
Not clear why the confirmation of DeVos is so consequential. Picking fights over the confirmation of his cabinet is a loser, because (see above) every GOP Senator is more scared right now of picking a fight with Trump than of the voters.

Really, Ty? DeVos is consequential because she's a Jesus Freak (NTTAWWT) who doesn't believe in public education. Which is bad enough, but that kind of disqualifies her from being Secretary of Education, no?

Losing fights still need to be waged so that our elected representatives know that we know that this is all Not Normal. And those of us who are Democrats should tell our Democratic senators that we are paying attention. Kind of a way to say "oh, hello Elizabeth Warren! By the way, oh heroine of the progressives, we saw your "yes" votes and will remember them. Know who hasn't voted "yes" yet? Corporate lackey Kirsten Gillibrand. We will remember her "no" votes."

Pretty Little Flower 01-25-2017 05:45 PM

Re: Dead Cat Bounce
 
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Originally Posted by LessinSF2 (Post 505399)
Although the legal landscape may be worse, I am still betting on marijuana stocks as winners under Trump.

I can say anecdotally (friends of friends) that unprescribed therapeutic use has skyrocketed since November. Or at least I think it has. My memory is a little hazy and that seems like a long, long time ago.

Hank Chinaski 01-25-2017 05:48 PM

Re: You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 505400)
Really, Ty? DeVos is consequential because she's a Jesus Freak (NTTAWWT) who doesn't believe in public education. Which is bad enough, but that kind of disqualifies her from being Secretary of Education, no?

I have an Uncle who was big in the teacher's union & politics out here. He worked in a school. Once when the Rs were talking about closing Dept of Educ I asked him what it actually does, "I'm not sure, I think it monitors that Federal standards are met?" There has got to be someone appointed to something more important who is a better nomination to fight.

Tyrone Slothrop 01-26-2017 12:03 AM

Re: You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 505400)
Really, Ty? DeVos is consequential because she's a Jesus Freak (NTTAWWT) who doesn't believe in public education. Which is bad enough, but that kind of disqualifies her from being Secretary of Education, no?

Losing fights still need to be waged so that our elected representatives know that we know that this is all Not Normal. And those of us who are Democrats should tell our Democratic senators that we are paying attention. Kind of a way to say "oh, hello Elizabeth Warren! By the way, oh heroine of the progressives, we saw your "yes" votes and will remember them. Know who hasn't voted "yes" yet? Corporate lackey Kirsten Gillibrand. We will remember her "no" votes."

It's definitely a target-rich environment, but I guess my thought is that they're not going to be getting a scalp, and Dems ought to be picking fights to frame the issues that are going to matter to swing voters in two years. As terrible an appointee as DeVos is, I don't think going after her advances that ball so much.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-26-2017 12:16 AM

Re: Dead Cat Bounce
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LessinSF2 (Post 505399)
Hey! I can post from work again.

Although the legal landscape may be worse, I am still betting on marijuana stocks as winners under Trump.

Depends. Sessions left to his own devices is the worst imaginable Atty General for that industry. But Trump may stay that shitty old bigot's hand on the issue because: States' rights, and, We need every new industry we can get, however niche.

sebastian_dangerfield 01-26-2017 12:29 AM

Re: Ball so Hard.
 
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Look, if you can't even follow the numbers, why are you engaging in this discussion? Decemeber non-farm payrolls were at 145.3 million or about 7 million greater than the pre-recession peak.
I followed your numbers. And they're for shit.

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There are more people working today than ever before.
Right there. That's why they're for shit. You know what else we have more of than we have at any other time?

People.

So... No shit more of them are working than at any other time in the past!

Now look at the percentage of people working on that graph.

Can you say, "Today we have a higher percentage of people working than at any other time in the past?" Right.

Why would it ever be useful to cite a measurement as meaningless as the one you did?

sebastian_dangerfield 01-26-2017 12:48 AM

Re: Dead Cat Bounce
 
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I understand that there is a natural conflict between Red State economies and Blue State economies and Purple State economies. But when we look at where our future lies as a country, I think the right answer is to say we want to get all the Blue State economic work we can and spread it out more, not to say, hey, let's do what red states like and embrace the idea that we'll end up looking like Russia and let the Blue state stuff all go to China.
True. Only Blue State work isn't plentiful enough to spread around that much. There's not even enough of it to fill most blue states these days. Tech work, by its nature, by its very design and intent, lessens the need for more work, of almost all kinds.

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This has been a dynamic of our country since cotton was king in the south and the mills were in the north, but the almost total alignment of the economic divisions and the political ones last happened just before the civil war, and even then probably not as completely as it has now.
No Mason Dixon line today. The Trumpkin could be next door, the Progressive across the street. And they agree on a number of things!

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 01-26-2017 08:54 AM

Re: Dead Cat Bounce
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 505406)
True. Only Blue State work isn't plentiful enough to spread around that much. There's not even enough of it to fill most blue states these days. Tech work, by its nature, by its very design and intent, lessens the need for more work, of almost all kinds.

Actually, we have severe shortages of employees around here. I think our California colleagues will report the same.

A good example of how red states shun our work: There was a multi-billion dollar federal program set up to develop clean energy technology spin-outs; it was specifically envisioned as a way to generate replacement jobs for placing losing them. The University of West Virginia was solicited to participate - a good chance to fund a couple professorships with full labs and to fund several tech spin-outs. West Virginia doesn't believe in clean energy, and didn't want the work - there wasn't a place on the faculty for those folks. MIT got two major grants for new technologies it is spinning out - Massachusetts (and New Hampshire) will get several hundred more jobs.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 01-26-2017 09:01 AM

Re: You don't need to be a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 505403)
It's definitely a target-rich environment, but I guess my thought is that they're not going to be getting a scalp, and Dems ought to be picking fights to frame the issues that are going to matter to swing voters in two years. As terrible an appointee as DeVos is, I don't think going after her advances that ball so much.

She is going to do some really bad stuff. And when running for reelection, Republicans are going to have to defend supporting her. Sometimes, you just go on record as to where you stand, whether or not you win the issue.

Adder 01-26-2017 10:47 AM

Re: Dead Cat Bounce
 
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Originally Posted by LessinSF2 (Post 505399)
Hey! I can post from work again.

You work? I thought you were a full-time wandering vagabond.

Adder 01-26-2017 10:57 AM

Re: Ball so Hard.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 505405)
People.

Yes, and you said, "people want work" (paraphrase). People have work.

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Now look at the percentage of people working on that graph.
We've looked at a variety of those measure too and they're all in the range of historical norms.

Actually, that's not really true. They're in the range of historical norms since 1990. Over a longer term a greater percentage of people are working today than did in the past.

Adder 01-26-2017 11:00 AM

Re: Dead Cat Bounce
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 505406)
There's not even enough of it to fill most blue states these days.

You really have to start reading more/better sources. Jesus man. Blue areas are having a hard time finding workers.

Not Bob 01-26-2017 11:58 AM

But it's time you started living.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 505402)
I have an Uncle who was big in the teacher's union & politics out here. He worked in a school. Once when the Rs were talking about closing Dept of Educ I asked him what it actually does, "I'm not sure, I think it monitors that Federal standards are met?" There has got to be someone appointed to something more important who is a better nomination to fight.

Nope. Fight all of them. Burn the motherfucker down.

And so Not Bob ends his discussion on the Politics Board for at least a while (never say never, amirite?) and starts living. So, in honor of the late* Mary Tyler Moore, he gives you Joan Jett singing "Love Is All Around" live on David Letterman.

* Poor Atticus.**

** It was him with the Laura Petrie fetish (NTTAWWT), right?

Replaced_Texan 01-26-2017 12:02 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
Quote from my sister after reading another horrifying news article: "A friend of mine said that this feels like being a passenger in a car driven by a drunk driver. Feels more like a plane driven by a drunk driver."


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