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MisterEbola 06-17-2003 10:44 AM

Sallie Mae F##ck Up
 
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Originally posted by Ritz
I did - I am still trying to get them to explain why based on their schedule - computer-error, I underpaid by $1,000 over a one year period at 4.86%/2.86% and am now expected to repay an extra $5,000 even though they are supposedly crediting the extra interest. I am also trying to get them to correct my interest rate, which is messed up on two of my loans (they should all be the same) and have been working on that for over a year. Good luck straightening out your account.
There were rumblings about a class action suit, but who knows on what basis the suit would be filed.

notcasesensitive 06-17-2003 10:46 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by evenodds
This show is about to get really interesting.

The premise has been that the girls know they are battling for the opportunity to choose the man (bad idea) or the money (good idea), without him knowing.

Now, they are going to tell him ahead of time, so the girls will have to convince him that they really, really, really do love him for him, before the finalist dumps him for the money.

Cheap-ass NBC is paying an annuity -- over 40 years. So, it's for love or $150k in real money. Probably less, but I don't feel like doing the math.
Hmm. I've started having real difficulty watching the show because of his dumb-ass hairstyle. Every time they cut to a confessional-type interview with him, I want to send a barber in to do somehting about that slicked back weirdo cut. I think he could be good looking (despite his doofus tendencies and total loser real-life escapades) if he would just do something about that hair! Argh!

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And I think its funny that he kept that blond girl who he has no chemistry with over the girl who he played sucky face with on the boat. I guess there are two possibilities -- either he dislikes strong, aggressive women (as evidenced the first week by him getting rid of the "career woman" and keeping the future housewife) or she freaked him out by continualy asking him to tell her that he liked her the best...

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 06-17-2003 10:52 AM

For Love or Money
 
Quote:

Originally posted by evenodds
This show is about to get really interesting.

The premise has been that the girls know they are battling for the opportunity to choose the man (bad idea) or the money (good idea), without him knowing.

Now, they are going to tell him ahead of time, so the girls will have to convince him that they really, really, really do love him for him, before the finalist dumps him for the money.

Cheap-ass NBC is paying an annuity -- over 40 years. So, it's for love or $150k in real money. Probably less, but I don't feel like doing the math.
1) Are the girls under the impression that they can have the money and him if he chooses them? I thought there was also a joke on them--they thought that the money was just a bonus, as opposed to a "tough" choice.

2) Caught that annuity thing at the end. Kind of makes those checks in the gold box a bit misleading, no? Maybe the 40 years is to ensure they don't actually get back together with him. After all, he did say (on Today) that

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there was someone on the show he wanted to spend the rest of his life with.

Sparklehorse 06-17-2003 10:52 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by notcasesensitive
Hmm. I've started having real difficulty watching the show because of his dumb-ass hairstyle. Every time they cut to a confessional-type interview with him, I want to send a barber in to do somehting about that slicked back weirdo cut. I think he could be good looking (despite his doofus tendencies and total loser real-life escapades) if he would just do something about that hair! Argh!

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And I think its funny that he kept that blond girl who he has no chemistry with over the girl who he played sucky face with on the boat. I guess there are two possibilities -- either he dislikes strong, aggressive women (as evidenced the first week by him getting rid of the "career woman" and keeping the future housewife) or she freaked him out by continualy asking him to tell her that he liked her the best...
I absolutely agree about his hair. He might be attractive (personality aside) if his haircut wasn't so awful.

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I think he dumped Laura (?) because she was an absolute pest about her position with him. I so wanted her dumped after their fireside chat and her cheesy wink.

notcasesensitive 06-17-2003 10:58 AM

Real World Alumnus in Congress?
 
from realityblurred --

Sean Duffy, one of the cast members of The Real World Boston and the now-husband of The Real World San Francisco Rachel Campos, may run for Congress. In an interview with the Wausau Daily Herald, Rachel said, "Sean is considering running for Congress in the 7th District against (U.S. Rep. Dave) Obey. It's not going to be an easy race." Obey is a Democrat first elected in 1969; Rachel doesn't mention what Sean's party affiliation might be.

Aloha Mr. Learned Hand 06-17-2003 11:00 AM

Sallie Mae F##ck Up
 
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Originally posted by MisterEbola
There were rumblings about a class action suit, but who knows on what basis the suit would be filed.
Where do I sign up (at a low contingent rate, of course)? They jacked my payment up $60 a month.

What I want to know is what they are doing with (or to) the borrowers who were told they were paid in full during the period of the screwup... Probably can't do much to them, so they'd better not be sticking it to the rest of us to make up for it.

Of course, my interest rate is in the neighborhood of 1 1/2% right now, so its hard to complain too much...

paigowprincess 06-17-2003 11:01 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by Sparklehorse
I absolutely agree about his hair. He might be attractive (personality aside) if his haircut wasn't so awful.

Speaking of awful, how about those collagen lips with the pink lip gloss? I have a new rule. If you are going to puff up your lips (and I still need convincing this is a good idea for anyone), do not put lip gloss, let alone pink lip gloss, on them. They look ridiculous enough without the frosting. And her boobs looked like someone sat on the implants before they were sewed in.


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I liked the juxtaposition of leaving the oldest gal who has begun her journey to Cherdome and the would be childbride who Rob (drunkenly?) admitted was too young for him. He probably figured a slavishly devoted little innocent would be more impressed with his "skills" in the sack (such as I am sure they are not) than a more experienced gal who has puffed up portions of her body to make herself appear "sexy", ie implying she wnats to be fucked and probably knows a thing or two about it. If I am him, I am going with the young innocent who probalby thinks a contract lawyer is someone who negotiates the big Wall Street mergers.

How gross is it that a 21 yo is lusting for a 33 yo man? I would ahve been like, sorry gramps, but you need to wash the stench of mothballs off your saggy self before you get anywhere near me.

SlaveNoMore 06-17-2003 11:06 AM

Real World Alumnus in Congress?
 
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y notcasesensitive
from realityblurred --

Sean Duffy, one of the cast members of The Real World Boston and the now-husband of The Real World San Francisco Rachel Campos, may run for Congress. In an interview with the Wausau Daily Herald, Rachel said, "Sean is considering running for Congress in the 7th District against (U.S. Rep. Dave) Obey. It's not going to be an easy race." Obey is a Democrat first elected in 1969; Rachel doesn't mention what Sean's party affiliation might be.
He's a Republican.

But even more interesting, he's a competitive lumberjack due to compete in the upcoming ESPN contests.

Wasn't he was kind of runty on the "Fake" World?

In other news - not wasting time with a link - a Cravath Summer Associate is moonlighting as a placekicker for the Indoor Football League.

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evenodds 06-17-2003 11:15 AM

For Love or Money
 
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How gross is it that a 21 yo is lusting for a 33 yo man? I would ahve been like, sorry gramps, but you need to wash the stench of mothballs off your saggy self before you get anywhere near me.
She just screams "issues!" every time I see her. I wonder how long she has been estranged from her father . . .

purse junkie 06-17-2003 11:15 AM

For Love or Money
 
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there was someone on the show he wanted to spend the rest of his life with.
the question is, could she bear to spend the rest of her life with him? Let's see...jobless...no prospects...assaulted a fellow JAG trainee...asked bimbo taking off his boots to turn _that_ way so he could better view her ass...

Sounds like someone I'd want to spend the rest of my life with. :rolleyes:

MisterEbola 06-17-2003 11:17 AM

Sallie Mae F##ck Up
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Aloha Mr. Learned Hand
Where do I sign up (at a low contingent rate, of course)? They jacked my payment up $60 a month.

What I want to know is what they are doing with (or to) the borrowers who were told they were paid in full during the period of the screwup... Probably can't do much to them, so they'd better not be sticking it to the rest of us to make up for it.

Of course, my interest rate is in the neighborhood of 1 1/2% right now, so its hard to complain too much...
Well, if you're paid off, you're paid off. The alleged issue was that folks were not paying off quickly enough.

Mine went up about $40 a month.

Nonetheless, a lot of money in the aggregate.

Say, 800,000 affected borrowers. Multiply that by increase of $40 additional a month. Multiply that by 50 (ballpark number of payments left on each borrowers loan term) = $1.6 billion.

greatwhitenorthchick 06-17-2003 11:19 AM

Real World Alumnus in Congress?
 
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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore

In other news - not wasting time with a link - a Cravath Summer Associate is moonlighting as a placekicker for the Indoor Football League.

not7yS
Speaking of football, does anyone know where I could find out the 1989-90 roster for the Florida Gators? I am just trying to find something out (and google is no help so far).

paigowprincess 06-17-2003 11:21 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by evenodds
She just screams "issues!" every time I see her. I wonder how long she has been estranged from her father . . .
Totally! Aint that the truth? Every time I see a young gal marry a guy at least a decade older, she either has a dead parent or is estranged. Hello Justine Henin- Hardenne. She got married at twenty to some guy who is at least 35 and probably older. Mother died when she was a teenager, estranged from father. typical. do these things ever work out? And isnt there an incestuous implication there? I think when I was 21, anyone over 25 was really old. And that is how it shoud be.

WHere is my ESPN link????

Anne Elk 06-17-2003 11:25 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by paigowprincess
Totally! Aint that the truth? Every time I see a young gal marry a guy at least a decade older, she either has a dead parent or is estranged. Hello Justine Henin- Hardenne. She got married at twenty to some guy who is at least 35 and probably older. Mother died when she was a teenager, estranged from father. typical. do these things ever work out? And isnt there an incestuous implication there? I think when I was 21, anyone over 25 was really old. And that is how it shoud be.

WHere is my ESPN link????
Here you go Paigow. ESPN

evenodds 06-17-2003 11:28 AM

Your Sports Questions Answered
 
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Speaking of football, does anyone know where I could find out the 1989-90 roster for the Florida Gators? I am just trying to find something out (and google is no help so far).
If it's important, you could call the UF Sports Information Office in Gainesville and have them fax you the roster. It's in the press guide they publish annually.

Football rosters are for the fall season, so it would be the 1989 team.

Oh, and Paigow: http://espn.go.com/main.html

Anne Elk 06-17-2003 11:31 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by paigowprincess
Totally! Aint that the truth? Every time I see a young gal marry a guy at least a decade older, she either has a dead parent or is estranged. Hello Justine Henin- Hardenne. She got married at twenty to some guy who is at least 35 and probably older. Mother died when she was a teenager, estranged from father. typical. do these things ever work out? And isnt there an incestuous implication there? I think when I was 21, anyone over 25 was really old. And that is how it shoud be.
I googled and found this article

Spree: Henin met Hardenne, two years her senior, in 1998 when she presented him with a prize at an amateur tennis event. They both say it was love at first sight and began dating soon afterward.

greatwhitenorthchick 06-17-2003 11:33 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by paigowprincess
? And isnt there an incestuous implication there? I think when I was 21, anyone over 25 was really old. And that is how it shoud be.

"how it should be?" Stop being so narrow minded. A ten year age difference is just not that unusual.
When I was 19-21, my boyfriend (whom I lived with) was 29-31. He was an ass but that's neither here nor there. Hardly a father figure either (I think my dad was in his 50s back then). I've never been estranged from my dad, and I don't think I have any more issues than anyone else on this board.

Shape Shifter 06-17-2003 11:33 AM

French Hygiene
 
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...rance_stink_dc

(Spree: Why clean the streets when you can just spray perfume?)

paigowprincess 06-17-2003 11:36 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by Anne Elk
I googled and found this article

Spree: Henin met Hardenne, two years her senior, in 1998 when she presented him with a prize at an amateur tennis event. They both say it was love at first sight and began dating soon afterward.
oops. someone married their much older coach. guess it wasnt her. thanks for the correction. and the link to espn (you too EO) which I still cant get . shoot.

and gwnc, I aint being narrowminded. There is a correlation there. Its fact not opinion, darlin.

evenodds 06-17-2003 11:41 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
"how it should be?" Stop being so narrow minded. A ten year age difference is just not that unusual.
When I was 19-21, my boyfriend (whom I lived with) was 29-31. He was an ass but that's neither here nor there. Hardly a father figure either (I think my dad was in his 50s back then). I've never been estranged from my dad, and I don't think I have any more issues than anyone else on this board.
An overgeneralization, to be sure.

I dated someone my father's exact age when I was in my mid 20s (he was in his late 40s). A very handsome ceo type. Ultimately, the age difference was too big for him.

E/O

purse junkie 06-17-2003 11:42 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by paigowprincess
and gwnc, I aint being narrowminded. There is a correlation there. Its fact not opinion, darlin.
The problem is with the older guys, not the way younger women. What the hell is wrong with them that they can't handle a woman their own age? Too experienced (and with a much better basis for comparison) in the sack? Too successful? Too...their own old age?

evenodds 06-17-2003 11:43 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by paigowprincess
oops. someone married their much older coach. guess it wasnt her. thanks for the correction. and the link to espn (you too EO) which I still cant get . shoot.

and gwnc, I aint being narrowminded. There is a correlation there. Its fact not opinion, darlin.
Wasn't it Mary Pierce, who moved continents to get away from her father?

robustpuppy 06-17-2003 11:44 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by paigowprincess
oops. someone married their much older coach. guess it wasnt her.
Anna Smashnova (she of the greatest name for a tennis player ever) married her coach, but the age difference was only about 9 years. 26 & 35.

And Nancy Kerrigan married Jerry Solomon, a sports agent (or whatever) who's much older - 14 years.

paigowprincess 06-17-2003 11:47 AM

For Love or Money
 
Did his daughter run off and join a band of gypsies? Or did he decide he didnt want any more kids, ala Billy Bob and ANgelina (note: estranged from dad)?

OF course it is an overgeneralization, but there is indeed a correlation. Maybe its bc I am from the classic nuclear family with no divorces and parents fairly close in age who have doted upon eachh other for over forty years, but something just really squicks me about a guy going out with someone much younger than him - like he wants to fuck his daughet or younger sister. Or maybe its bc my best friends dad left her mom to bang someone his daugheter's age. Or maybe its bc a close friend from college was banging her sixty year old professor (and she said she loved his salt and pepper hair, all over - ew!)(and she had issues with her dad to be sure) Or maybe I just dont see how a person could be attracted to someone so much older, and thus in idfferent places emotionally and physically.

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Originally posted by evenodds
An overgeneralization, to be sure.

I dated someone my father's exact age when I was in my mid 20s (he was in his late 40s). A very handsome ceo type. Ultimately, the age difference was too big for him.

E/O

ThurgreedMarshall 06-17-2003 11:48 AM

For Love or Money
 
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The problem is with the older guys, not the way younger women. What the hell is wrong with them that they can't handle a woman their own age? Too experienced (and with a much better basis for comparison) in the sack? Too successful? Too...their own old age?
Why do people care? That's the real question. Young woman - old guy. Old guy - young woman. Fat, rich, old guy - young, poor, hot woman. Rich, old woman - young, poor, hot man. What difference does it make?

Older people like younger people because they're hotter. Younger people are attracted to older people because they either have money or are more mature. There is no "problem." That's just the way it is.

Why does each one of your posts make you sound more and more bitter? Paigow's nuts. What's your excuse?

TM

greatwhitenorthchick 06-17-2003 11:49 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by paigowprincess
and gwnc, I aint being narrowminded. There is a correlation there. Its fact not opinion, darlin.
Whatever you say.

So if a woman who dates someone 10 years older has daddy issues (it's a fact!), a woman that dates someone 10 years younger has younger-brother issues? Nephew issues? And the guy has mommy issues" Is that how it works?

ThurgreedMarshall 06-17-2003 11:50 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by paigowprincess
OF course it is an overgeneralization, but there is indeed a correlation. Maybe its bc I am from the classic nuclear family with no divorces and parents fairly close in age who have doted upon eachh other for over forty years, but something just really squicks me about a guy going out with someone much younger than him - like he wants to fuck his daughet or younger sister. Or maybe its bc my best friends dad left her mom to bang someone his daugheter's age. Or maybe its bc a close friend from college was banging her sixty year old professor (and she said she loved his salt and pepper hair, all over - ew!)(and she had issues with her dad to be sure) Or maybe I just dont see how a person could be attracted to someone so much older, and thus in idfferent places emotionally and physically.
Translation: Younger guys avoid me like the plague.

TM

robustpuppy 06-17-2003 11:51 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Why does each one of your posts make you sound more and more bitter? Paigow's nuts. What's your excuse?

TM
If you don't need one, why should PJ?

paigowprincess 06-17-2003 11:52 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by evenodds
Wasn't it Mary Pierce, who moved continents to get away from her father?
No, she was in that other classic categoy- tennis star who dates closeted gay male athlete (Robby Alomar- engaged for years but nothing). Estranged from dad. Maybe there is a correlation there as well? See also AManda Coetzer and Brady Anderson. How convenient for these guys to date the gals they never have to see.

I was so sad to see Anna Smashnova give up her great surname when she wed. What a waste. And it wasnt her either. Patty Schneyder went out with some guru guy who was like twenty years older and he nearly ruined her career. But it wasnt her I was thinking of. Wonder who ALexandra Stevenson dates. Isnt she estranged from Dr. J?

robustpuppy 06-17-2003 11:55 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by greatwhitenorthchick
Whatever you say.

So if a woman who dates someone 10 years older has daddy issues (it's a fact!), a woman that dates someone 10 years younger has younger-brother issues? Nephew issues? And the guy has mommy issues" Is that how it works?
Hmm. Ashton Kutcher is extremely boyish and Demi does have big boobies. He just might have mommy issues, although she is looking incredibly hot lately. What the attraction is for her, I don't understand, because he is so not hot.

evenodds 06-17-2003 11:55 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by paigowprincess
Wonder who ALexandra Stevenson dates. Isnt she estranged from Dr. J?
Beyond estranged. He didn't acknowledge her until she was 20 something.

paigowprincess 06-17-2003 11:56 AM

For Love or Money
 
I don't care. I don't give it a lot of thought or have a plan to change the world. But when it crosses my path, it gives me the willies, like when I chew on a piece of aluminum foil by accidnt and it hits a filling. A brief involuntary "ew". whatever makes their world turn, but like shirtless men with gray armpit hair and pink flab cruising down New Hampshire Avenue, I dont want to see it.

and i do think its kind of squicky that a 31 yo would go out with a 20 yo, not that I knew the players but it seems like someone is taking advantage fo someone. its just wrong.


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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Why do people care? That's the real question. Young woman - old guy. Old guy - young woman. Fat, rich, old guy - young, poor, hot woman. Rich, old woman - young, poor, hot man. What difference does it make?

Older people like younger people because they're hotter. Younger people are attracted to older people because they either have money or are more mature. There is no "problem." That's just the way it is.

Why does each one of your posts make you sound more and more bitter? Paigow's nuts. What's your excuse?

TM

notcasesensitive 06-17-2003 11:57 AM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by evenodds
An overgeneralization, to be sure.

I dated someone my father's exact age when I was in my mid 20s (he was in his late 40s). A very handsome ceo type. Ultimately, the age difference was too big for him.

E/O
I've always dated people around my age. Actually my current relationship is close to the biggest age difference at 4 years (he is older than me). I had a 5 year age gap with a guy who I dated for a couple of months (I was 29 and he was 24) and that was kind of weird.

That said, I've never particularly been weirded out by the women who date older guys, but the older guys who date really young women kind of sketch me out. I guess it is the flip side, but related to, what Paigow is talking about. I'm not talking about 30 year-olds dating 20 year-olds (though there is a much different set of life experiences there), but more about the men who dump their similar-aged spouses during some mid-life crisis (mid-40s or older) and start dating a 25 year-old. Trying to recapture youth much?


Edited to say that it is now the same side of what Paigow is saying, since it took me so long to get the post up...

purse junkie 06-17-2003 12:00 PM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
Why do people care? That's the real question. Young woman - old guy. Old guy - young woman. Fat, rich, old guy - young, poor, hot woman. Rich, old woman - young, poor, hot man. What difference does it make?

Why does each one of your posts make you sound more and more bitter? Paigow's nuts. What's your excuse?

TM
Because you'd have to be a fucking idiot to think that issues of gender and power don't enter into hetero relationships with massive age differences--which, not coincidentally, usually means older man-younger woman. (And for older women, the age difference in my observation tends not be as large, but is certainly viewed as a bigger deal.)

Not bitter,you ass--it doesn't affect me personally, and I wish even you true happiness with whatever jailbait or sugar mommy you hook up with--just not blind.

paigowprincess 06-17-2003 12:02 PM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by robustpuppy
Ashton Kutcher is extremely boyish and Demi does have big boobies. He just might have mommy issues, although she is looking incredibly hot lately. What the attraction is for her, I don't understand, because he is so not hot.
The attractision is clearly publicity (can you spell STUNT?)

However, if it is indeed true, I would speculate that she is having a midlife crisis and wants to feel young again. Hence the plastic surgery (I think I see cheek implantss- something has been done to her face to be sure), the never say old "raw diet" and the insane exercise regime. See also Madonna. Plus, she doesnt need someone to father kids with her so immaturity isnt really a problem. I doubt she would ever lvoe him, just bang him and pretend she is young again. And she can probably control that relationship by virtue of her age and not worry about getting hurt. For him, I would say it borders on exploitation except he seems to be a good time guy and is probably having a good time. Somehow young guys are harder to exploit than young girls0- maybe that is bc they always cum?

robustpuppy 06-17-2003 12:04 PM

For Love or Money
 
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That said, I've never particularly been weirded out by the women who date older guys, but the older guys who date really young women kind of sketch me out.
The only types who really squick me out are the professors who are nearing retirement yet continue to cruise the undergrads. I don't blame a young prof. who wants to take advantage of the bounty of fresh flesh that pours into his or her classes every semester (as long as no sex for grades exchange occurs, what's the harm?) but those who never get it out of their systems are pathetic.

evenodds 06-17-2003 12:05 PM

Age Poll
 
Okay, what is the biggest difference older and younger you've dated?

And what's the age difference now?

Anne Elk 06-17-2003 12:07 PM

For Love or Money
 
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Originally posted by paigowprincess
No, she was in that other classic categoy- tennis star who dates closeted gay male athlete (Robby Alomar- engaged for years but nothing). Estranged from dad. Maybe there is a correlation there as well? See also AManda Coetzer and Brady Anderson. How convenient for these guys to date the gals they never have to see.

I was so sad to see Anna Smashnova give up her great surname when she wed. What a waste. And it wasnt her either. Patty Schneyder went out with some guru guy who was like twenty years older and he nearly ruined her career. But it wasnt her I was thinking of. Wonder who ALexandra Stevenson dates. Isnt she estranged from Dr. J?
A few years ago Mary Pierce's dad was banned from attending tour events and they are estranged. She had dual citizenship and now plays for France. I remember her switching flags about the same time all that stuff about her Dad was in the news.

greatwhitenorthchick 06-17-2003 12:08 PM

For Love or Money
 
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but it seems like someone is taking advantage fo someone. its just wrong.
taking advantage how? Is a 34 year old partner in a Biglaw firm (woman) who marries a 54 year old carpenter (man) similarly being taken advantage of? (not that occupations have anything to do with anything).

purse junkie 06-17-2003 12:09 PM

Age Poll
 
Two years on either side. Never been interested in a much older/younger guy--always wondered, why don't you want to play with kids your own age?


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