LawTalkers - Offering constructive criticism to the social cripples in our midst since early 2005.

Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I am puzzled by people who think that facts will somehow magically not exist if they simply refuse to acknowledge them. Is there a name for that psychiatric condition? It has to be a mental health malady of a sort. We follow policies borne of psychiatric disorders? What if we passed a law that said that any policy deemed to be based on a psychiatrically unsound belief could not enacted into law. I wonder if that might be a good start to curing some issues. I'd at least like to hear the opposition...

This is about Clinton ignoring al Queda for the late 90s?

Diane_Keaton

07-13-2005 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
That's probably right. Compare New York City and DC to their surrounding areas.

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwr.../s309a1t3a.gif

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwr.../s309a1t3b.gif

Source: MMWR Abortion Surveillance for 2001 (released November 2004)

I don't get why the number for Florida is a few hundred in the left column but then for "occurrence" in the right column it jumps to tens of thousands. Are 400 women getting repeat abortions, like once every 3 hours, during their childbearing years?

Math is hard.

Hank Chinaski

07-13-2005 01:29 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
The table doesn't address availability of birth control and sex ed, or availability of abortion in rural areas. club's arguing that these have no or little effect. I beg to differ.

Or, in your case, availability of sheep, and in your sister's case, availabilty of donkeys.

Shape Shifter

07-13-2005 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
This is about Clinton ignoring al Queda for the late 90s?

He also ignored Terri Shiavo during this time.

Hank Chinaski

07-13-2005 01:30 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
He also ignored Terri Shiavo during this time.

and hillary.

Shape Shifter

07-13-2005 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
I wasn't saying that. I was just saying that his numbers probably are right.

Sure the numbers are higher, but that doesn't address the point he was making - i.e., bc and sex ed have no impact on rates of abortion.

Replaced_Texan

07-13-2005 01:33 PM

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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
I don't get why the number for Florida is a few hundred in the left column but then for "occurrence" in the right column it jumps to tens of thousands. Are 400 women getting repeat abortions, like once every 3 hours, during their childbearing years?

Math is hard.

The first column is by residence and the second is by occurance. Florida did not provide much data on residents obtaining abortions, but they did provide information for the total number of abortions performed in the state.

Club will note that 56% of the abortions in DC were for out-of-state residents, leading some credence to Shape Shifter and gatti's points that abortions are more readily available in urban areas.

sgtclub

07-13-2005 01:35 PM

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Don't you think that free birthcontrol (e.g., via planned parenthood) and sex education is far more prevalent in the big cities?

Look, I'm not looking at this in a vacuum. I went to public school in LA and both were as prevalent as silicon down there. It simply didn't matter. What I think you are implicitly saying on the federal funding side and the education is that poor, uneducated people have more abortions, which is absolutely untrue. My guess is that the rate for middle class educated women is at least as high if not higher.

As I said before, this is a question of needing to instill more responsibility, not birth control or education. And that starts at home.

Shape Shifter

07-13-2005 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
and hillary.

Fortunately, there were readily available sheeps and donkeys.

Shape Shifter

07-13-2005 01:37 PM

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Originally posted by sgtclub
Don't you think that free birthcontrol (e.g., via planned parenthood) and sex education is far more prevalent in the big cities?

Look, I'm not looking at this in a vacuum. I went to public school in LA and both were as prevalent as silicon down there. It simply didn't matter. What I think you are implicitly saying on the federal funding side and the education is that poor, uneducated people have more abortions, which is absolutely untrue. My guess is that the rate for middle class educated women is at least as high if not higher.

As I said before, this is a question of needing to instill more responsibility, not birth control or education. And that starts at home.

I would argue that birth control and education are connected to responsibility somehow. Are you celibate?

sgtclub

07-13-2005 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Are you celibate?

OK, I'll bite. No.

ltl/fb

07-13-2005 01:43 PM

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Did you see the nifty little "***" attached to Florida? Are you familiar with the concept of footnotes?