For Love or Money
 

That was paigowspeak. A combination of the two things. Note the word "purports" for the "wise" definition, but I wanted to leave it ambiguous or at least to have a whiff of dried, shrunken and wrinkled , like Benny Hill's sidekick.

See? Misunderstood genius.

For Love or Money
 

Actually, the point of my post was that I did understand you. Don't be so literal.

Age Poll and Homely Friend Problem
 

Mrs. Hand says no... I was thinking of some of the (other?) FB Man-ho's...

Preorgasmic????
 

No. Cause-effect, not effect-cause.

Dingdingdingdingding!!!

And 30 seems a wee bit late for the confidence thing.

Homely Friend Problem
 

Not even to help a fellow FBer out? Man, she sure keeps you on a short leash. -TL ;)

Age Poll and Homely Friend Problem
 

Sounds like a perfect candidate for Coup_d'skek.

Age Poll and Homely Friend Problem
 

Re-watch the Marcia/Frumpy Girl episode of the Brady Bunch (honest!) where she transforms her bespectacled pal. Of course, Frumpy then became more popular than Marcia, and much hair-tossing and hand-wringing ensued, but it will provide useful instruction. The show is the font of all such wisdom.

P("Mom always said, don't play ball in the house")J

Preorgasmic????
 

I don't think it's confidence. I think it's experience. I was orgasmic at 20, but not multiple orgasmic until 24. Some things just need an experienced hand.

Regardless, I would say most women have their sexual shit together by 28, if not earlier.

Even(shepherded several 26 yo women through the adult book store and toy section)Odds

Age Poll and Homely Friend Problem
 

Take her shopping with you, pick out some clothes for her and when she's trying them on, break her glasses. And when she's groping around for you, leave the store, change your phone number, move to another house and pretend like you never knew her.

Thurgreed(unless it's purse junkie, in which case she'll just track you down here anyway)Marshall

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I fucking wish even Thurgreed happiness with jailbait or a sugar mommy with total sincerity, despite the obvious truth that the vast majority of old guys who date only younger women are insecure youth-desperate sadsacks unable to handle actual interactions with grown-ups who can stand up to them, and you call me pissy? That, I thought, was Mother Theresa nice of me.

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Yes. I am sure that is that is the only reason Hugh Hefner still dates 24 year olds instead of 70 year olds like himself. Do you really think he doesn't date 70 year olds b/c he can't hold up his end of a conversation around them, or because he can't hold up his end of an erection around them?

Oldest I have dated is 15 years older (40 when I was 25) and yougest I have dated is 11 years younger (20 when I was 31). Current object of my infatuation is 5 years younger than me.

Age and Orgasm
 

Age differences. I think it depends on what the age range of your friends is. I have close friends in their forties, fifties and sixties, and I have close friends in their early twenties. I can totally see dating out of either group. I know several couples with severe age differences that do just fine. One couple in particular that I can think of she's in her mid twenties and he's in his late forties, early fifties. There doesn't seem to be any power disparities in that relationship, though there are major wealth disparities. My 23 year old cousin is dating a 31 year old woman, and they're both very upset that he's going to have to break it off soon due to changes in geography. The one disaster that I can recall is when a friend of mine married an 18 year old when he was 32. Within three years they were divorced (the spread was five years). The years between 18 and 24 or so seem to me to be the years when people change the most and find their feet, so a long term relationships with anyone (even if you are in the same age bracket) at that point in time seems like it's going to be hard to sustain.

The two men that I know that are actively looking for younger women (they're both in their 60s and they're looking for women in their 30 and 40s) were the ones that were dumped by THEIR spouses.

Poll: Older, four years. Me 24-28, him 28-32. Younger five years me 28-29 him 23-24.

Orgasms: I think I was 13 or so when I first figured out the whole orgasm concept all by myself. I think I was in my mid twenties when I figured out how to get the guys I was fucking to figrue out the whole orgasm concept. Two totally separate parts of my sexual evolution.

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1) are you my el numero uno crush, pushy the daysleeper?

2) I never answered this poll, and sinceI kn ow you all are standing by breathlessly, here goes. My oldest age difference had to be about 14 yrs. I know he was forty, I just cant remember how old I was but I think I could not have been older than 26 or 27. That was one date. He looked really young and seemed young at heart. Then I played strip pool with him and he had middle aged man body. End of story. Oh, and I remember this, he had a teensy weensy pecker (I am such a ho)- actually, that might have been more the problem than the age. But he seemed really young. Middle aged men have always grossed me out as I spent a lot of my youth on my parents sailboat where we would host guests and middleaged men always stunk up the head and had icky bodies. So for me to consider a forty yo, he had to have been real young looking.

Youngest- had a three year relationship with someone five years younger. During a little downtime with this guy, I hooked up with a very good pal who was seven years younger than me. But he was so big and hairy, you would never have known. The true definition of sexy-disgusting.

Current object of my affection is my precise age.

Age and Orgasm
 

I think you would like my dad or one of his friends. Surprisingly, they can totally see themselves going out with a late 20s early 30s woman also.

Age and Orgasm
 

Sadly, life moves in cycles, and many people lose sight of them again in their forties and fifties.

For Love or Money
 

This seems so obvious to me that I can't understand why anyone is bothering to bicker with pj about it. There are exceptions, of course, but please.

Favorite quote in awhile
 

From a friend's blog:

"Fortunately, however, I wants me lots of worldly possessions. So my natural avarice overcomes my inherent slothfulness, and compels me to work. It's amazing how just the proper balance of Deadly Sins practically adds up to virtue."

Oh, great, now Less has *another* potential cause of painful urination to rule out
 

Boy Breeds Eggs in His Body, Produces Beetles?

I was trying to think of a funny joke involving George Martin, but gave up.

For Love or Money
 

Because they have significantly younger significant others? Or plan to?

For Love or Money
 

I figure TM likes to bicker, and CTD fancies himself as a younger Hef. Maybe that's it.

For Love or Money
 

PJ,

I haven't dated too many younger women. That said, I have always, like all men, sought and found women my own age who looked younger. The reason I did so was exactly the same reason Hugh Hefner dates 24 year olds - we all look a lot more attractive when we're young. When I see a 20 year old college student with a perfect ass pass by, my minds plays certain scenes that would never come to mind when I see a 40 year old in a loose fitting conservative dress which hides a bad case case of secretarial spread. We're to be attracted to youth and health, which are evidenced by good looks. Beatrice the Spinster may be fascinating, but we can't change the fact that she can scare a dog off a meat wagon. Meredith the cute little blonde graduate may not be worldly yet, but she'll get there with time, and look damn fine in the process.

Men by nature are visually aroused. Young women trip a primordial switch deep in the recesses of our minds that I could no more explain to you than you could explain menstrual cramps to me. Being a rational thinking creature, I am constatntly amazed at just how hard it is for me to keep my eyes from wandering to the cleavage of the smiling 20 year old girl who sits behind the desk at the front door of my gym. I wouldn't trade my wife for a million bucks, but I'd pay that little girl everything in my wallet at the moment if she offered to show me what she was hiding behind that low cut top...

PJ, you sound to me like someone who is deeply offended by the fact that men are more interested in the package than the substance, so I'll offer you this caveat to ease your blood pressure - no matter how hot the cute little girls may be, if they've nothing between the ears, most good men won't marry them. As much as I'd drool at the beach and privately damn monoghamy to myself when a fantastic hottie passed me in a bar, I was not going to get involved with any chick who couldn't interest me.

Its hard to find a bright hottie and make it work. You've a better chance of hitting back to back holes in one. Hence, most guys will accept hot and dumb or hot and much younger. This does not make such men insecure - if anything, it just makes them unlucky.

S(In sum, exceptional looks are the hardest thing to find, so they'll always be most valued)D

For Love or Money
 

Hell, I'd love to wear satin lounge jammies to work (without the anachronistic-old-lech vibe of course). Maybe I need to start my own practice...;)

For Love or Money
 

Speak for yourself. And I don't think PJ was offended, but she can speak for herself.

For Love or Money
 

I just think that you are overlooking the obvious. Most 26 year olds have waaaaay better bodies than a 36 or 46 year old--or 66 year old. With the notable exception of 3 posters over the age of 35 who take very good care of themselves, most women start to neglect the workout regimine when they get past a certain age. There are a lot more 22 year olds who can look good without working out than there are 42 year olds. So spare me the cliche about the insecure man looking for an empty headed bimbo. IMHO they are looking for a sex pot and don't care if she is younger or older.

As for me, I have dated younger and older and I don't have a hang up about either. I don't fancy myself a younger Hef since remnants of catholic guilt would probably prevent me from being with more than one woman at a time; and I am happy with the girl I am dating now and wouldn't want to be with anyone else--of any age. (and no, she doesn't read this board, so I am not just trying to kiss up).

For Love or Money
 

I know a number of 40-to-50-something guys who now concentrate on hot-looking, nubile young thangs.

Reason they do it?

Because they can.

For Love or Money
 

Do you ever want to say, "Cosmo, I just want you to know, that no matter what you do, you're still gonna die" ?

For Love or Money
 

Okay. This is scary, but I agree...completely.

For Love or Money
 

Right, not offended; I'm absolutely as shallow as the next person when it comes to looks/body. But there're lots of good looking in-shape people around at almost any age IMHO. What kind of slugs do you folks hang around with?

A.P.B.
 

Where the hell have you been?

We were all worried

http://www.uiowa.edu/~boating/imagelink/mvc-001s.jpg

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You guys are saying the same thing for all intents and purposes. A guy wants a sex pot, bc he wants to fuck and have it be good. He wants to fuck bc it feels good. Feeling good makes him feel young. Brains are irrelevant in this equation bc men are visual and brains dont play a part in that (yes, I know this is bullshit bc brains can make you better looking, but I am going with say first impressions or fantasies of chicks you dont know like SD's front desk girl). THis also works with the basic assumption that younger women have better bods than older women. SOmeone said that the ladies stop working out after 35 or whatever and SD's description of Beatrice the spinster has her with a fat ass while Meredith the hot young blonde has a tight ass. It could be vice versa but SD didnt assume it that way, and the asses didnt need mentining at all, but SD wanted to underscore the point that the Merediths have better bods than the Beatrices.

so, basically everyone agrees.

For Love or Money
 

Lawyers. 'nuff said.


C(dating a non-lawyer who works out almost every day--unlike me)tD

For Love or Money
 

Oh for Christ's Fucking Sake...

If I had a nickel for every older woman or angry spinster who ripped older guys who fucked younger women apart as insecure or pathetic, I'd have a 600 SL. Its the reverse of the argument made by unsuccessful men that women are whores because they'll fuck ugly men with money.

Look, old guys fuck young women because they can. If I offer you a weather beaten sedan or a brand new convertible, which are you going to take? This entire discussion has avoided out of politeness explaining exactly how selective men select mates - 1. Looks (if you ain't got em, you ain't attracting anyone); 2. Brains (If you're dumb, most guys will still fuck you, but probably not date you for long); 3. Spark (Chemistry, etc...).

Anyone who offers any hierarchy or argument that suggests looks aren't the threshold or that they should not be the threshold betrays a naivete so deep they are simply unqualified to discuss dating, etc...

For Love or Money
 

No, 'cuz I'm gonna die too, except I won't have some 20-something babe under me while I do it.

For Love or Money
 

Perhaps you should try dating lawyers who don't work at big firms with obscene billables targets. 'Cause some of us get to go these places called 'gyms'...

P(or even 'outside', come to think of it)J

For Love or Money
 

Let us not forget that PJ is a double D boobie queen as well as a hardbody.

A.P.B.
 

Out of touch. (Yes, double meanings.) And, likely so for a while more.

Life is good. And, contrary to confused thought, "good" doesn't mean it makes me feel young. It makes me feel . . . just . . . good.

A.P.B.
 

Well, certainly not in your case.

Glad to see you have the common sense to wear head protection when you are out paddling on Lake Holierthanthouawaka. But don't they give you time to take off the suit?
http://www.ecardmania.com/bennyhill/image2.jpg

A.P.B.
 

That's just dumb. I would never wear that tie with that hat.

People really *do* hate lawyers . . .
 

The girl who sued to be the sole valedictorian, rather than 1 of 3, is now a social pariah: MSNBC story

"goody-goody"

The Office
 

Ok, caught the first three episodes last night. The Gareth character is great! I've known more than one guy like him during my pre-law job days. Corrupted by power that they don't have.

(and not banging hot young things either)

Also enjoyed the Dosteyevsky trivia conversations between David and the smart new guy (can't remember his name). And the stapler fights between Tim and Gareth.

Thanks for the show tip, FB...