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Adder 02-03-2017 10:20 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 505502)
Not those who service or sell to people exclusively or mostly here. There are a lot of those out there. Most small businesses, for instance.

If they sell stuff, trade is in their supply chain. If they use stuff in performing their services, trade is in their supply chain.

But more importantly, small businesses that might not rely on trade have nowhere near the clout that big business has.

ThurgreedMarshall 02-03-2017 10:56 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 505483)
Nah. What's coming is a total concession by the GOP establishment; they have already conceded 80%, giving up on free trade, for example, was a big one but the position was surrendered without a fight.

The only interesting question is whether or not there are only a few principled people or a significant number who check out of the GOP as that occurs.

What the fuck is it with a job in the House or Senate that is so amazing that people will completely give up any sense of a hint of integrity to retain their seat? Power? Prestige? Attention? All of the above? I don't fucking get it.

If I were in the Senate as a Republican, I would rather go down in my next primary if I also went down in history as the only Republican who stood up to this fucking idiot.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 02-03-2017 11:07 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 505491)
It's hard to ascertain which is more interesting: Trump, or his most vehenent critics melting down in the oped pages.

You are incurably stupid.

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-03-2017 11:37 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 505511)
What the fuck is it with a job in the House or Senate that is so amazing that people will completely give up any sense of a hint of integrity to retain their seat? Power? Prestige? Attention? All of the above? I don't fucking get it.

If I were in the Senate as a Republican, I would rather go down in my next primary if I also went down in history as the only Republican who stood up to this fucking idiot.

TM

This is a damn good question.

Does anyone have an answer?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-03-2017 11:38 AM

Re: Falling Prices Brought to You By China
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 505510)
If they sell stuff, trade is in their supply chain. If they use stuff in performing their services, trade is in their supply chain.

But more importantly, small businesses that might not rely on trade have nowhere near the clout that big business has.

Man, when prices start going up in Walmart there are going to be some pissed real 'mercans out there.

ThurgreedMarshall 02-03-2017 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 505514)
Man, when prices start going up in Walmart there are going to be some pissed real 'mercans out there.

At this point, there is no connection between what happens in this country--prices going up, jobs being lost, wars being waged, rights being infringed, you name it--which can be tied to political action based on actual facts. There is no penalty for complete obstruction. There is no penalty for purposeful and outright destruction. There is no penalty for lies one can see with your very own eyes. All that matters is how you make a completely uninformed electorate feel. And fear wins every fucking time.

Democrats are going to have to paint Republicans as the disaster party. There are sure to be a few during this administration. Tie it to them with those under Bush and just repeat the refrain again and again and again. "The Republican Party is the party of disaster. They will destroy you while cutting their own taxes." Forget talking about the positive shit you want to do. Just do it when you get in office. Fucking force it through. Enough of this shit already. Design the pitch based on the limited faculties of those whose votes you need.

TM

Adder 02-03-2017 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 505515)
All that matters is how you make a completely uninformed electorate feel. And fear wins every fucking time.

That's really it. And these people really don't seem to grasp that this is different. That Obama didn't do the same sorts of things (but just not on their side).

Pretty Little Flower 02-03-2017 12:13 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 505509)
Okay, understand, I was bored of this whole thing a month ago, but now I'm going to post- think about that. A post ago you said small businesses that sell only to locals, now you're talking about investing in automation. Let me promise you, small businesses aren't investing in automation. I'm not saying you need to get to clarity that Flower will praise, but you need to get this shit a little bit straighter.

It's amazing to me that people are still genuinely debating policy points with Sebastian. As far as I can tell, his "arguments" consist of equal parts 1) completely unfounded predictions of what will occur in the future rendered with absolute certainty (including actual percentages!), 2) a massive distortion of what has happened in the past (including an inability to remain consistent on any point when confronted with actual facts that undermine that point), 3) and a string of the most nonsensical gibberish since Alice went down the rabbit hold. In addition, his whole "oh how amusing it is to sit on the veranda and watch the right bumble and the left wring their hands oh so earnestly as the empire crumbles" facade has grown wearily thin. Moreover, given that this bumbling and hand-wringing is about ineptly conceived and executed policy decisions, and the lies that accompany them, that will actually result in people dying means that this his "empathy is for suckers" facade, if at all genuine, puts Sebastian on the personality spectrum somewhere between Supreme Fucking Asshole and Dangerous Sociopath. On that note, how about a little JB for the Friday Daily Dose? The full length sprawling disco-funk of Bodyheat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t43uw8DFHkQ

ThurgreedMarshall 02-03-2017 12:16 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 505517)
It's amazing to me that people are still genuinely debating policy points with Sebastian. As far as I can tell, his "arguments" consist of equal parts 1) completely unfounded predictions of what will occur in the future rendered with absolute certainty (including actual percentages!), 2) a massive distortion of what has happened in the past (including an inability to remain consistent on any point when confronted with actual facts that undermine that point), 3) and a string of the most nonsensical gibberish since Alice went down the rabbit hold. In addition, his whole "oh how amusing it is to sit on the veranda and watch the right bumble and the left wring their hands oh so earnestly as the empire crumbles" facade has grown wearily thin. Moreover, given that this bumbling and hand-wringing is about ineptly conceived and executed policy decisions, and the lies that accompany them, that will actually result in people dying means that this his "empathy is for suckers" facade, if at all genuine, puts Sebastian on the personality spectrum somewhere between Supreme Fucking Asshole and Dangerous Sociopath.

Agreed.

TM

sebastian_dangerfield 02-03-2017 04:51 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 505517)
It's amazing to me that people are still genuinely debating policy points with Sebastian. As far as I can tell, his "arguments" consist of equal parts 1) completely unfounded predictions of what will occur in the future rendered with absolute certainty (including actual percentages!), 2) a massive distortion of what has happened in the past (including an inability to remain consistent on any point when confronted with actual facts that undermine that point), 3) and a string of the most nonsensical gibberish since Alice went down the rabbit hold. In addition, his whole "oh how amusing it is to sit on the veranda and watch the right bumble and the left wring their hands oh so earnestly as the empire crumbles" facade has grown wearily thin. Moreover, given that this bumbling and hand-wringing is about ineptly conceived and executed policy decisions, and the lies that accompany them, that will actually result in people dying means that this his "empathy is for suckers" facade, if at all genuine, puts Sebastian on the personality spectrum somewhere between Supreme Fucking Asshole and Dangerous Sociopath. On that note, how about a little JB for the Friday Daily Dose? The full length sprawling disco-funk of Bodyheat:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t43uw8DFHkQ

Whatever. You know it's fascinating. And I enjoy watching institutions upended. I'll admit it. I also found 2008 fascinating. People keep thinking they've conquered risk...

We're seeing policy makers' hubris undone. It's natural volatility screwing the efforts of undeserving Brahmin to control and manage their world.

You don't even grasp the basic angles of the facts you accuse me of getting wrong.

sebastian_dangerfield 02-03-2017 05:03 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 505511)
What the fuck is it with a job in the House or Senate that is so amazing that people will completely give up any sense of a hint of integrity to retain their seat? Power? Prestige? Attention? All of the above? I don't fucking get it.

If I were in the Senate as a Republican, I would rather go down in my next primary if I also went down in history as the only Republican who stood up to this fucking idiot.

TM

This last statement, if not ironic, explains why you and I will never be able to discuss politics

You critique my inconsistency, yet offer the most naive points next to the most cynical ones.

You know how you get mad when people focus on the inside baseball aspects of politics? That's because it's the only debate that matters.

sebastian_dangerfield 02-03-2017 05:06 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 505509)
Okay, understand, I was bored of this whole thing a month ago, but now I'm going to post- think about that. A post ago you said small businesses that sell only to locals, now you're talking about investing in automation. Let me promise you, small businesses aren't investing in automation. I'm not saying you need to get to clarity that Flower will praise, but you need to get this shit a little bit straighter.

The big ones will invest in automation. The little ones with primarily domestic exposure won't have to. But to the extent they can, r&d done on automation by big companies and tech firms will benefit the little guys with forms of automation they can cheaply acquire, which will eventually offset cost increases in the supply chain cause by decreased trade. (But yeah, they'll get pinched for a while at first.)

Trump = More robots more quickly.

Hillary = More robots not as quickly.

Tech accelerates its overtaking of labor arbitrage as a cost-cutter in a less globalized world. Simple enough?

Tyrone Slothrop 02-03-2017 06:27 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 505517)
It's amazing to me that people are still genuinely debating policy points with Sebastian. As far as I can tell, his "arguments" consist of equal parts 1) completely unfounded predictions of what will occur in the future rendered with absolute certainty (including actual percentages!), 2) a massive distortion of what has happened in the past (including an inability to remain consistent on any point when confronted with actual facts that undermine that point), 3) and a string of the most nonsensical gibberish since Alice went down the rabbit hold. In addition, his whole "oh how amusing it is to sit on the veranda and watch the right bumble and the left wring their hands oh so earnestly as the empire crumbles" facade has grown wearily thin. Moreover, given that this bumbling and hand-wringing is about ineptly conceived and executed policy decisions, and the lies that accompany them, that will actually result in people dying means that this his "empathy is for suckers" facade, if at all genuine, puts Sebastian on the personality spectrum somewhere between Supreme Fucking Asshole and Dangerous Sociopath.

But can you place his recent work in the context of his prior oeuvre?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 02-03-2017 06:57 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 505518)
Agreed.

TM

You are wise, Sensei.

sebastian_dangerfield 02-03-2017 08:02 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 505531)
But can you place his recent work in the context of his prior oeuvre?

You're smarter than this. And you know what I mean.

Look long term. The echo chamber here is, well... an echo chamber. Do you really give a fuck what they think?


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