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So, then you put two guys forward. And they hold two guys back. And so on.

I'd be interested in seeing the rule modified to apply only inside the penalty box. If someone receives a long pass in the corner or just past midfield, or even close to the box, so what?

dude. if americans get to change one rule it'll be tv timeouts for beer breaks. they ain't throwing out the offside rule

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

07-12-2010 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 428392)

dude. if americans get to change one rule it'll be tv timeouts for beer breaks. they ain't throwing out the offside rule

Can you imagine the hooligans if they got free beer runs during each half?

Hank Chinaski

07-12-2010 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 428387)

Best post-game interview: Iker Casillas.

for those who don't understand spanish, he said "the ref called a second yellow on their guy when he hit our guy on a break, but didn't call anything on our guy when he impeded their guy, even though it was much worse. I guess it was because our guy fake fell, while their guy kept trying to score the goal?"

Pretty Little Flower

07-12-2010 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 428365)

dickwad. I've watched tons of soccer, at the high school level mostly. but still i "understand" the game fully equal to you, I guarentee that.

and the problem that led to all these posts is that the soccer lovers refuse to acknowledge that the flopping is a problem. accept there is flopping, say you still love the game and I'll shut up. but tell me there is not flopping, or flopping is okay, or, get this, the fact that a dozen of the spanish laying on the ground with apparent game ending injuries came back from the dead really quickly is not inconsistant with our day to day lives? take those positions and I'll call bullshit.

That's a good one. You watch a lot of high school soccer, so you understand the game really well. Which is why you say smart things like soccer teams have defenders whose only role is to play defense. And that the only reason you bash soccer is because soccer fans do not acknowledge that flopping happens, or say that flopping is o.k., even though it is a yellow card if you are cuaght flopping, and even though there is basically no serious soccer or commentator who has not decried the practice. Did the Spanish play up some injuries? Of course. Is it possible to get kicked really hard in the shin, suffer serious pain, and still get up and play a minute later. Lance went over his handlebars at 30-some miles per hour yesterday, his second crash of the day, and was back on his bike and riding hard to catch the peloton a minute later, with blood flowing down the tears in the back of his jersey. But I would forgive all your misguided statements about the game if it were not for the bottom line of your argument: soccer is "bullshit" and will "never catch on here" because Americans are motherfucking geniuses who would never watch such an inferior and flawed sport. Because that argument, which is what this argument always seems to boil down to, makes ppnyc seem like a genius. Which she is. She took an IQ test as a kid, which confirmed it.

Hank Chinaski

07-12-2010 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 428395)

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And that the only reason you bash soccer is because soccer fans do not acknowledge that flopping happens, or say that flopping is o.k., even though it is a yellow card if you are cuaght flopping, and even though there is basically no serious soccer or commentator who has not decried the practice. Did the Spanish play up some injuries? Of course. Is it possible to get kicked really hard in the shin, suffer serious pain, and still get up and play a minute later. Lance went over his handlebars at 30-some miles per hour yesterday, his second crash of the day, and was back on his bike and riding hard to catch the peloton a minute later, with blood flowing down the tears in the back of his jersey.

before I go find the video, did he writhe around for awhile before getting up?

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But I would forgive all your misguided statements about the game if it were not for the bottom line of your argument: soccer is "bullshit" and will "never catch on here" because Americans are motherfucking geniuses who would never watch such an inferior and flawed sport.

why is it less popular than even hockey? kids have been playing it forever here. parents have been watching their kids play it forever.

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Because that argument, which is what this argument always seems to boil down to, makes ppnyc seem like a genius. Which she is. She took an IQ test as a kid, which confirmed it.

I invented saying ppnyc is too smart to be posting here. no offense

Pretty Little Flower

07-12-2010 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 428398)

god. adder said the defenders (he didn't identify a position but still) would be jealous if the strikers cherry picked. do you think they would, I mean bringing your cable tv experience watching euro league games into play?
ps do you think defenders score a lot of goals?
before I go find the video, did he writhe around for awhile before getting up?

why is it less popular than even hockey? kids have been playing it forever here. parents have been watching their kids play it forever.

I invented saying ppnyc is too smart to be posted here. no offense

I am not an expert on soccer. I played as a kid. I have played for the last ten years. I have watched a lot of soccer and a lot of commentary about soccer. I am pretty fucking sure I know a whole lot more about it than you do. But that is not my point. In fact, I only say that because I like talking about things that I know a lot lot more about than you do. Which is why I like talking about everything. Except Detroit. Detroit bores me. And Jawbreaker. Jawbreaker does not bore me, but you know more about them than I do. Do defenders score fewers goals than strikers? Of course. Is your argument that soccer has players whose "only" role is to defend moronic? Of course. Spain advanced against Germany by one goal -- scored by a defender. As for writhing about, I never argued that soccer players don't play it up. Which is why I conceded that some Spanish players "play[ed] up some injuries." My point is that your argument that it is impossible to go down hard, and be up playing again a minute later is dumb. As RT pointed out but was too nice to actually say. Sometimes I wonder if there would be a little more mental discipline on this board and less moronism if RT were less nice. Anyhoo, to argue the point that soccer is less popular than hockey (in the U.S. and Canada) while ignoring that it is more popular than every other sport (everywhere else in the world) is even dumber -- too dumb for me to even address, so just ignore this sentence. Instead, I will simply note that you fall back, once again, to your argument that soccer is an inferior sport because it has never caught on with the genius American sports fans despite the fact that kids have been playing it here several decades. Which, as I mentioned when you first posted, makes you seem like a xenophobic cretin. No offence.

Hank Chinaski

07-12-2010 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 428401)

confidential to everyone but flower: Flower's end date is July 15.
that is all.

Adder

07-12-2010 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 428402)

confidential to everyone but flower: Flower's end date is July 15.
that is all.

Flower works for you? Amazing.

Flower, meet me at the Dublin Airport in the morning and we can hang out.

patentparanyc

07-13-2010 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 428398)

Boys, boys. No need to fight over me. Here, here is a straw.
That is all.

ThurgreedMarshall

07-13-2010 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 428358)

Nowadays, with the technology now their disposal, fans can make pronouncements about what actually happened. Which, I think, is irrelevant, because they're not evaluating in the same way, in the same speed, and the same angles, as the official on the field at the time. Players and fans have been bitching at officials over botched calls from the dawn of time. It's only been in the last 10 years or so that they've had this pinpoint technology that makes them feel superior.

I don't think Thurgreed's replay is particularly relevant--even if if was from twenty angles, in superslow mo and shows to the milimeter how non-touched a particular player was--because it doesn't matter what actually happened. What matters is what the official saw. And the players know that, so they're going to make sure that they draw the officials' attention to the things they think need attention. So if the official misses a flop (and there were a lot more that DIDN'T get called than did), he also misses a karate kick to the chest that pretty much everyone agrees should have sent the Dutch a man down well before the second half even started.

Sorry, RT, but this is a bullshit argument. Unless you're saying (i) that all refs are good refs, (ii) now that we have the technology to easily see what the hell happened, we shouldn't use it, and (iii) that fans don't matter, I completely disagree.

If all that mattered was what the ref saw, then it wouldn't matter how awful some refs are. That makes no sense. And if I'm a fan of a team and I'm watching the championship (or any other meaningful game for that matter) and the ref fucking sucks and there is clear evidence of that in the television coverage (for which the sport is making untold millions), then it's not about "feeling superior" to the ref, is it? Why should I be a fan if the refs suck and are allowed to suck because the sport refuses to use available technology to improve itself? And this isn't one American sports fan talking. I've heard numerous soccer commentators talk about the problems with soccer--the flopping, the shitty calls.

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As for suffering stinging pain due to some sort of blow and then jumping up and continuing on with the game after that initial wave wore off, I've done it, and I'm pretty sure that anyone else who played some sort of contact sport did too. My middle left toe right now is currently black and blue* and probably broken due to some stupid running around after the final ended yesterday. I did the silly hop of pain that everyone who has ever bashed a toe does, and then continued on with my celebration.

Ridiculous. Sure, everyone plays through pain. But no one gets a serious injury, rolls around in agony (oh, the agony!) and then gets up and sprints at full fucking speed. And those that do are faking. I don't know why you're even defending the practice.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall

07-13-2010 09:58 AM

Wow

Apparently, George Steinbrenner has died.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall

07-13-2010 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cletus Miller (Post 428366)

It's also a way for the players to take a breather and their team to reset for a (likely) change in possession. No timeouts and no revolving substitutions means you take advantage of the rules allowing for stoppage of play for "injuries".

Yes, but this is not helping the argument of why it should be eliminated.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall

07-13-2010 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 428377)

So, then you put two guys forward. And they hold two guys back. And so on.

Maybe. But isn't there a risk of a breakaway going the other way if you commit too many guys to the goal in what is now considered "offsides?" Hell, I watched a few games where teams played super conservative to avoid the possibility of a breakaway.

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Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 428377)

I'd be interested in seeing the rule modified to apply only inside the penalty box. If someone receives a long pass in the corner or just past midfield, or even close to the box, so what?

That works for me too.

TM

Fugee

07-13-2010 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 428409)

Apparently, George Steinbrenner has died.

TM

That's pretty shocking -- at least to me, but 2 people picked him in the death pool this year.

Sparklehorse

07-13-2010 10:17 AM

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