LawTalkers - The babyjesuschristsuperstar on Board: filling the moral void of Clinton’s legacy

Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
(a) Not entirely sure that was the complete context of my post, but I think was arguing that they should have exercised their editorial discretion differently because of the harm to U.S. foreign policy interests -- which in this case are also their own individual and national interests -- whether they are a U.S. paper or a European paper and whether they know it or not.

S_A_M

so you were against the publication of the abu gharib stuff?

Sidd Finch

02-13-2006 07:34 PM

InaniTy

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Originally posted by Secret_Agent_Man
(c) Stop being such a snotty bitch, Sidd. This one has you all bent out of shape.

S_A_M

Lighten up, Francis. I've posted maybe 4 times on this issue in the past week -- once a mere "2" (to Sebby, which was scary), the other expressing agreement with Spanky (even scarier. Next I'll be asking Fluffy to come over and hang.)

But, still, I'm glad to see I've made such an impression. But I don't think newspapers should make editorial decisions based on what will make people like or dislike the US. Particularly when many of the same people will dislike us in any event, and this will be just one more wrong reason for them to do so.

original Hank@judged.com

02-13-2006 08:12 PM

InaniTy

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Lighten up, Francis. I've posted maybe 4 times on this issue in the past week -- once a mere "2" (to Sebby, which was scary), the other expressing agreement with Spanky (even scarier. Next I'll be asking Fluffy to come over and hang.)

But, still, I'm glad to see I've made such an impression. But I don't think newspapers should make editorial decisions based on what will make people like or dislike the US. Particularly when many of the same people will dislike us in any event, and this will be just one more wrong reason for them to do so.

so you were for the publication of the abu gharib stuff? How about the result to the war effort of Americans soldeirs killed in the aftermath? Should a free press give aide and comfort to enemies?

Secret_Agent_Man

02-13-2006 10:57 PM

InaniTy

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
so you were against the publication of the abu gharib stuff?

Nope -- as you know.

Look, Hank -- this is all subjective and you can't turn it into any kind of general principle applicable to all situations.

e.g., I expect you would not agree that anything arguably newsworthy should always be published, no matter what. I certainly would not agree that anything that damages U.S. foreign policy efforts should never be published.

If I had to delineate my feelings on the distinction, I'd start with the view that the Abu Ghraib shots needed to be published because they revealed significant crimes by our military personnel with broad policy implications going forward (domestic and, unfortunately, foreign) and that their publication was important to inform our national debate.

That said, there were many more pictures and video footage connected with that scandal which have been classified and suppressed/held by the U.S government on the grounds that their release would harm national security. They held screenings/viewings for Congress, but only very general descriptions were published.

S_A_M

sgtclub

02-14-2006 11:20 AM

Didn't Know Less Was Italian

ROME (Reuters) - Italy's Reform Minister Roberto Calderoli has had T-shirts made emblazoned with cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a move that could embarrass Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's government.

Calderoli, a member of the anti-immigrant Northern League party, told Ansa news agency on Tuesday that the West had to stand up against Islamist extremists and offered to hand out T-shirts to anyone who wanted them.

"I have had T-shirts made with the cartoons that have upset Islam and I will start wearing them today," Ansa quoted Calderoli as saying.

He said the T-shirts were not meant to be a provocation but added that he saw no point trying to appease extremists.

"We have to put an end to this story that we can talk to these people. They only want to humiliate people. Full stop. And what are we becoming? The civilization of melted butter?" Calderoli said.

Sidd Finch

02-14-2006 11:22 AM

InaniTy

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Originally posted by original Hank@judged.com
so you were for the publication of the abu gharib stuff?

Yes.

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How about the result to the war effort of Americans soldeirs killed in the aftermath?

That was not a result of press coverage. That was a result of the fact that the US was torturing prisoners.

Shoot the messenger if you like, but don't pretend it's his fault.

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Should a free press give aide and comfort to enemies?

I wasn't aware that the press was hiring any aides for Al Qaeda, but leaving that aside, once again, it was our policies that were helping our enemies.

If you want to live with a press that is unwilling or unable to report on things that are unfavorable to the government, move to China.

sebastian_dangerfield

02-14-2006 12:06 PM

Mnnnn, Danish

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Originally posted by LessinSF
I am ready to get on with "the clash of civilizations."

Jesus, man, is daytime cable that bad?

PS: I find your wish to see mankind driven to the brink of obliteration and forced to live in a Mad Maxian post-apocalyptic netherworld to assuage your boredom interesting and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

Hank Chinaski

02-14-2006 12:24 PM

Didn't Know Less Was Italian

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Originally posted by sgtclub

ROME (Reuters) - Italy's Reform Minister Roberto Calderoli has had T-shirts made emblazoned with cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a move that could embarrass Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi's government.

Calderoli, a member of the anti-immigrant Northern League party, told Ansa news agency on Tuesday that the West had to stand up against Islamist extremists and offered to hand out T-shirts to anyone who wanted them.

"I have had T-shirts made with the cartoons that have upset Islam and I will start wearing them today," Ansa quoted Calderoli as saying.

He said the T-shirts were not meant to be a provocation but added that he saw no point trying to appease extremists.

"We have to put an end to this story that we can talk to these people. They only want to humiliate people. Full stop. And what are we becoming? The civilization of melted butter?" Calderoli said.

shit. ncs. can i add Italy's Reform Minister Roberto Calderoli to my death pool list still?

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)

02-14-2006 03:05 PM

murder

So, now Cheney's prey has a heart attack. If he dies, can he face negligent homicide charges?

Sexual Harassment Panda

02-14-2006 03:48 PM

murder

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
So, now Cheney's prey has a heart attack. If he dies, can he face negligent homicide charges?

Dead men tell no tales.

Raggedy Ann Coulter

02-14-2006 04:07 PM

Mary Jo needs a glass of water

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
So, now Cheney's prey has a heart attack. If he dies, can he face negligent homicide charges?

Just as soon as they file murder charges against Ted Kennedy.

Gattigap

02-14-2006 04:09 PM

murder

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Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
So, now Cheney's prey has a heart attack. If he dies, can he face negligent homicide charges?

Nah. Local authorities have graded this only a hunting accident. Presumably, if the prey croaks, it'll be upgraded to no more than a *fatal* hunting accident.

Replaced_Texan

02-14-2006 04:17 PM

murder

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Originally posted by Gattigap
Nah. Local authorities have graded this only a hunting accident. Presumably, if the prey croaks, it'll be upgraded to no more than a *fatal* hunting accident.

2. Happens all the time. Ruled as judgement error by the hunter, but it's going to be essentially the same legal outcome as Laura Bush's running over and killing that guy 40 years ago.

ltl/fb

02-14-2006 04:22 PM

murder

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Originally posted by Replaced_Texan
2. Happens all the time. Ruled as judgement error by the hunter, but it's going to be essentially the same legal outcome as Laura Bush's running over and killing that guy 40 years ago.

This goes with my theme for the day: Sometimes shit happens, and people die. It's sad, kinda, but it's part of life. Stop fucking trying to work around it.

notcasesensitive

02-14-2006 04:28 PM

murder

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
This goes with my theme for the day: Sometimes shit happens, and people die. It's sad, kinda, but it's part of life. Stop fucking trying to work around it.

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