Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 499271)

Ok then. The issue is people who frequently vote D for whatever reason (in state and local elections) are crossing over and voting for Trump in the open R primaries.

Cruz has won all but one of the closed primaries, and Donald Trump has won all but one of the open primaries.

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 499274)

You have no fucking idea how Trump will run the country. Nobody does. Because he says whatever he feels like regardless of whether it contradicts whatever he felt like saying yesterday. That was part of Oliver's point. Yeah, maybe he'll get into office and say that the Mexican wall thing was just a "metaphor" and that when he talked about banning Muslims, he really just meant preventing infiltration of the country by radical terrorists of all religions. But you don't know that and if you think you do, you're more full of shit than Trump is. And the reason the media keeps focusing on the wall IS BECAUSE TRUMP KEEPS FUCKING TALKING ABOUT THE WALL. And every time he does, his scary fucking xenophobic supporters scream their neanderthal heads off and create more racist t-shirts and buttons and signs. Yes he has some supporters who just like the fact that he is a gigantic mind fuck for the establishment Republican party. And as someone who believes the two-party system is hopelessly broken, I also got a visceral thrill in seeing this loud-mouthed moron turn everything upside down. But the thrill is over. You say the media focuses on the David Duke issue unfairly? Seriously? He gets asked what he thinks about David Duke and the KKK and you can actually see the gears in his head turning as he tried to figure out how he could dodge the question without alienating is strong white supremacist base. So he lied about not knowing who David Duke is and then later lied about having ear piece problems and not understanding the question. And everybody says he's a strong leader who is not afraid to speak his mind. What a bunch of fucking bullshit that is. But there is no point debating the issue because our pointless speculation about what Trump will or won't do in office, or what his true motivations are, or whether he is a liar or just demonized by the media does not matter. It's all too esoteric for Trump supporters. Which is why the idea of sitting and typing words like these into some cyberspace politics chatting forum is so laughably sad, so absurdly grim, that I would not engage in it even as a joke. Which is why I never ever visit this sorry little page. Ever.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 499270)

Primaries generally get scheduled by states, subject to party rules, and the rules for both parties aren't an awful lot different in how primaries get scheduled and have only been tweaked over the last half dozen cycles. Undoubtedly her campaign people did their best to encourage states to front load, thinking it would give her an advantage, but it's not an awful lot different than last time.

Scheduling debates is a negotiation. So what? That's part of the campaign.

Likewise, superdelegates? Yes, you have to campaign among a lot of people who have roles in the party, from governors to DNC members, and win their support, fickle as it may be (remember, Hillary's superdelegates started moving to Obama when the votes did last time). Bernie has had every opportunity to work with these people for the last thirty years, as a Congressman and Senator, and didn't build the constituency. Just as he didn't build it with African Americans. He didn't even manage to build that strong a base with unions - surprising for his message.

He got beat fair and square. These are the places you have to win if you want to be president. This isn't tiddlywinks.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 499276)

You're watching too much John Oliver.

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 499278)

You say this now WITH YOUR ALL CAPS SCREAMING but you would have dropped to your knees for him the last time around.

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 499280)

You and I watched the same amount of John Oliver. Unless you didn't see the one about the New Zealand politician getting the dildo thrown at his face, which was a really good bit of television right there and I urge you to watch it, but I can promise you it did not affect my views on Trump, other than to think that if some woman threw a dildo at Trump, he would threaten to sue her (he wouldn't), call her a fat fucking hysterical bitch cunt on the rag on Twitter, and then publish her home address and phone number so that his fanatical thug supporters could hound her relentlessly and make her life a living hell.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 499260)

I was not a Hillary hater (frankly, she'll run things like a moderate Reagan Democrat, so the GOP hatred for her is baffling).

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 499257)

Except that he is worth over a billion, and has built a solid brand, garish as it is, so that part about business acumen... #justsayin And no. That he screwed people in r/e development workouts does not undo his success. First, that's an essential part of that business. Second, that only proves the guy can artfully work through a really tough deal.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 499257)

Still, I like one thing Trump is doing. Among the lies, there are occasional kernels of candor that are fantastic. His defense of Planned Parenthood (even though he has to claim he'll defund it to placate the Jesus Crazies) is great. And telling a bunch of corporate Bush stooges that W lied to get us into Iraq and did not keep the country safe was excellent. If nothing else, that pumpkinhead killed the Bush dynasty, and for that we all owe him a debt.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 499257)

Bullshit. Trump's attracting lower middle class voters who want protectionism. Our media is focusing on the David Dukes and the Mexican wall nonsense because nobody in the Establishment wants to address the criticism that globalization fucks over a lot of average people. It's all about money. It's always all about money. Trump is fueled primarily by poor folks who want to roll back globalization.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 499262)

This is a stretch. Forbes has him at $4bil. (I think it's more like $2bil.) He also didn't get $200mil. He has brothers and sisters, and the old man wasn't even worth that much.

Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 499267)

But above all, they feared that actually enacting immigration reform would give Obama a "win", and that was unacceptable.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 499260)

I was not a Hillary hater (frankly, she'll run things like a moderate Reagan Democrat, so the GOP hatred for her is baffling). But the way she's gamed the system to screw Bernie? And her plagiarism of his speeches? Fuck her.

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 499260)

You can't win in this election.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 499284)

First, Someone I know was in a Trump deal recently and took a look at his financials. They claim he isn't even worth a billion dollars. If this is true, then it is amazing that he has squandered daddy's money so epically. Also, if it's true, he is not a success. He's a complete failure because if he had simply invested daddy's money in the most conservative way, he'd be worth way more than he is now.

But I love how you are able to reclassify people mentioning bankruptcy after bankruptcy as an attempt to undo his success.

No. Dubya and Jeb killed the Bush dynasty. No one owes Trump anything.

This is complete bullshit. The average Trump voter couldn't point to a globe. They like that he doesn't take shit, doesn't kowtow to the media even after they've identified his bullshit, hates muslims, Mexicans, and immigrants in general, and caters to racists by retweeting racist bullshit and winking at the white supremacists. Globalization. FOH.

The rest of your post isn't worth quoting. Trump will appoint people to important positions based on how they treated him in the last ten minutes, would completely destroy our standing in the world or any respect we've ever had, would rule via fucking twitter, and would act 10x worse than he currently acts because by winning the election he would believe he was right about all things. He would be waaaaay worse the Dubya. But I don't know if he'd be worse than Cruz.

Ladies and gentlemen, your Republican party.

TM

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 499279)

I'll admit some bias here. I like Bernie. He elevated the discourse and he took on the banks. And though it was all pie in the sky, he was at least honest when he said he'd try to start a revolution.

Scratch a cynic and you'll find a pissed off idealist? Maybe that saying fits me here. Bernie's a good man, and I'd have liked to see him get a lot further, even if it doesn't square with my greedier instincts.

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 499281)

I have no idea what you are talking about, but if you are suggesting I would have provided unsolicited no-strings-attached fellatio to Trump at some point in the past, then you sir have gone too far. Because Trump hates gays.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 499288)

I don't recall if it was said here, but the most apt comparison I've see is that Trump would likely be Berlusconi. Complete, utter, corrupt, self-aggrandizing shit show.