Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 

Also, a great deal of how he defines his wealth is wrapped up in the value he himself places on his name. I read somewhere that he thinks it's worth $3 billion. Now he probably thinks it's worth more.

TM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 

I was thinking that he got himself dragged too far in now, he might well want a way out. Howard Stern always said (in the past) the guy was faking considering the Prez, because he lives a life that contains no hassle. Why run for the hardest job in the world when you are a billionaire that cycles in hot new wives every 10 years? But this year the successes stuck him.

If he get the nomination, and gets destroyed in the general (not a sure thing I don't think) that name gets destroyed. And I think it does mean a lot to him. A big devastating loss will be hard to explain away.

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 

Does it? I mean, as a brand to sell stuff? And does it hurt any more than not winning the nomination?

I guess I think of another year of having his name everywhere has value to it as a brand regardless of the ultimate outcome. Few things are as famous or prestigious as presidential candidates.

ETA: Especially when you can credibly claim that you got all the way to the nomination as an outsider and you only lost because politics is a dirty, rigged game.

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 

I tend to agree that he never expected to do well and can't back down now. He just wanted his name recognition to go up, which has a great effect on people who buy gold-plated plastic condos.

But now he thinks he can win. And his ego has taken over completely.

TM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 

Do you really believe that 16% of the people voting in the GOP primary in Georgia were Democrats who decided to vote for Trump? That's just an example, but I think you should take the margins into account. Trump's wins have been yuge, in many cases. Cruz had a big win in his home state, but that's the only one.

Put differently, I think you are grasping at straws. I don't mean to be harsh in saying that (if Slave were saying what you are saying, I would respond that I was hardly surprised that he had come up with a way to blame Democrats for something.)

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 

Chicken, egg. Would those forces be so strong absent the GOP stoking them?

While I think that the Party of No efforts against Obama are a big part of the GOP's current problem, I think it really traces back to Dubya and Rove. The attitude of "we only want to win by 51%", and the "everyone against us is a terror-loving traitor."

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 

Like what happened to Palin?

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 

I know it's a long shot and borderline delusional - hence my previous acknowledgment that hope is not a strategy. Trump hasn't broken 30% in closed primary states, but I know I am just trying to talk myself into believing he wont win. I can't argue with the fact that 30% of 'real' Rs go for him, which in itself is an abomination, but Trump is not really close to a majority either.

Technically, Rubio has a mathematical shot at the nomination, and Cruz has a better one, but they are both incredibly long odds. Now I am trying to figure out the implications if Romney comes in as for the Constitution Party. I think they only have ballot access on 12 states. I would probably vote Libertarian over Romney.

It is sad to think that the best outcome is probably a smoke filled room drafting up some rules to screw Trump right before the convention, but I don't think the Establishment has the gumption for that. Unless the Bush family backers hold a grudge.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...od-from-trump/

ETA: It's over. The Koch brothers announced they're not spending $$ to oppose Trump. The Republican party is dead, now that Trump is going to Strom Thurmond it.

This.
 

This is exactly what it's like to talk to so many Republicans these days. They just say the most absurd, stupid shit. I honestly used to think that it was a facade they had to keep up in order to vote their pocketbook. And maybe this guy actually believes what he's saying. Maybe he doesn't. But at a certain point, it just doesn't matter, does it?*

And we are so very clearly at that point.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUIs5K2Snpk

TM

*And that's the danger of the Sebby argument about Trump "really being a moderate" or the voters who support him really supporting him because of a fear of globalization (for fuck's sake, man). His supporters beat people. He whips them up into a frenzy and I wouldn't be surprised if a protestor at one of his rallies gets stomped to death. This shit is not a game. Stop making excuses for this asshole and his asshole supporters. Stop trying to rationalize their behavior and their support. Just fucking stop.

Re: This.
 

This is among the most painful things I have ever watched.

Re: This.
 

Thurgreed, when will you stop trying to divide people by race?

Re: This.
 

Van Jones is generally not at the top of my list of people with whom I agree, but I agree with him 1000%. And another clip of him from the night of the SC results when he talked about Trump as well. And believe it or not, a LOT people on conservative social media are in agreement. Trump is openly courting the votes of white supremacists, and it makes me sick.

I was not a huge fan of Dole or McCain and in 2012 I was in the 'Anybody but Romney' camp, but I could get onboard to support them in the general election. I could possibly get past his kind of crappy policy ideas, but I cannot get past his horrible racism or misogyny, or his treatment of the disabled or veterans.

I am in mourning and am working through the stages of grief for the cause I have supported my entire adult life and given no small amount of time or money. As you have seen today, I am still working through the stage of denial. I cannot support Trump. And I find him so offensive that if the race is close and he looks like he may win, I will not only get super drunk and vote for Hillary, I would actively campaign for her.

I don't think it will come to that, thankfully. I was already fully onboard with the #NeverTrump movement within the party, and are a number of us who are horrified at what has become of the GOP. I like to think we are the Silent Majority, but that is probably just the Denial talking. Mr. Chick and I are supporting the Senate candidates likely to be harmed by a Trump nomination.

I would rather be in exile than be complicit in the nomination or election of Donald Trump. Clips like this just make me incredibly sad.

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 

Fred Trump died in 1999, not 1974.

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 

2. He's in too deep to jump out now. I disagree that it's all his ego telling him he can win. I think that may be part of it, but the bigger part is he's got no choice but to win.

This will be the ugliest campaign imaginable.

Re: This.
 

I get the emotion, but I'm entitled to disagree with you. Yes, Trump is a favorite of racists. But the protectionists are his bread and butter. The xenophobes necessarily come with that.

And let's face it. Whoever's running on the GOP ticket always gets the racist vote.

I'm not stopping. I respect your point, but I'm holding mine. And I'm not rationalizing the Trump voters in aggregate. Nor should anyone. Different people support him for various reasons. It isn't all racist dog whistling. Not by a long shot.