LawTalkers - Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.

Just an aside, but you may want to check out how many Bronx Republican Party Poo-Bahs have held a seat in Rikers before saying this. That particular party is notably corrupt. Start by looking up Guy Valella and Joseph Savino....

I was wrong. It turns out I can vote in the CA Dem primary as a decline to state. It likely will be moot by then, but I would vote for Bernie. I don't agree with a lot of his platform, but let's try it out. It's better than the sixth term of Bush/Clinton. And their puppeteers.

sebastian_dangerfield

03-05-2016 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 499337)

I think your nuanced and in-depth reading of conservative support of Trump is one that I'm not sure Trump voters would understand.

They surely know his companies export every job they possibly can while he bullshits his way through every stump speech about forcing Apple to build iPhones here. Or maybe they just don't care? I'm struggling to understand (and maybe you can help, given your perspective) just what the difference is between Romney's bullshit about bringing jobs back and Trump's.

You say all this stuff was ignored by the GOP, but EVERY candidate pays lip service to this shit. Is it solely because Trump is considered anti-establishment that, in your opinion at least, they believe him when talks that shit?

As far as I can see, aside from talking about the war as a mistake and being completely crude and disgusting at all times, the only difference between him and the establishment candidates is he's thrown away the dog whistle.

TM

http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-an...ted-1456448550

If you're paywalled, just google "Rise of the Unprotected."

Not Bob

03-05-2016 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 499337)

You are absolutely right about the thrown away dog whistle, which is why seeing so many Republican leaders (Ryan, et al) respond to him with some variant of "this racism is unacceptable in the party of Lincoln" is laughable in some ways.

But I think that my point about him (even with all of his past sins of being a pro-choice, off shoring, immigrant hiring, com man) the voice of a lot of disaffected Republicans still stands. Check these quotes out:

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“We know who Donald Trump is,” he added, “and we’re going to use Donald Trump to either take over the G.O.P. or blow it up.”

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“There’s nothing short of Trump shooting my daughter in the street and my grandchildren — there is nothing and nobody that’s going to dissuade me from voting for Trump,” Ms. Butler said.

From the NYT today.

Also this shows the divide:

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As Mr. Romney hopped between television stations on Friday, proclaiming his dismay over Mr. Trump’s crudeness, challenging his decency and questioning his integrity, he declared that his overtures were breaking through — though not necessarily to the audience he intended. In an interview conducted inside the headquarters of Bloomberg News in Manhattan, far from the crucial primary voting states that could decide Mr. Trump’s fate, he observed that Midtown office workers had offered their gratitude as he rode up to the studio.

“Just coming up the escalator, Mr. Romney said, people said, “ ‘Thanks for what you did yesterday.’ ”

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

03-06-2016 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 499347)

Go for it Bro.

I think it will be moot, but at least Bernie's voice is going to be way louder now.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

03-06-2016 03:37 PM

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I am impressed. Faced with a plethora of truly bad choices, it appears Republican voters have carefully winnowed the field down to the worst two.

Tyrone Slothrop

03-06-2016 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 499351)

I am impressed. Faced with a plethora of truly bad choices, it appears Republican voters have carefully winnowed the field down to the worst two.

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Something more profound is occurring. An election is, at its core, a form of mass ritual. What dreadful forces are being summoned this time? Tremors ripple through the noosphere. Can you feel them? It’s eerie, as though the dogs have all stopped barking at once, the birds have flown away together to parts unknown, and the sky has turned green....

The key to understanding this election cycle—and its energetic locus, Trump—is to accept that we are not dealing with an ordinary man, bound by the rules of decorum and the presupposition of coherence. I have another idea. I propose that Donald Trump is the personification of a Norse god named Loki.

Think about it. Everyone keeps asking, how does he do it? How does he get away with the outbursts of expletive and blasphemy, with cruel mockery of disabled people and torture survivors, with the rambling incestuous fantasies? What I am saying is that Trump doesn’t need to play by the rules because he is the fabled shape-shifting trickster wearing the orange skin of a man and the hair of a wily red fox. That is how he gets away with it.

Jung explains the election.

SEC_Chick

03-06-2016 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 499351)

I am impressed. Faced with a plethora of truly bad choices, it appears Republican voters have carefully winnowed the field down to the worst two.

From this side, Hillary and Bernie don't exactly look like real winners either.

Yesterday furthers the hypothesis that Ted Cruz will outperform the polling and Donald Trump will underperform the polling data in closed primaries. All four states on Saturday were closed and while the victories were split, Ted Cruz won 64 delegates to Trump's 49, and came very close to a majority in Kansas. The polls in Louisiana had Trump up by 20, but he won by less than 4%.

I give total credit to Kansas for generally getting behind a single anti-Trump candidate. I feel bad for Rubio that he came in behind Kasich. I enjoyed his attacks on Trump, but some people were turned off. It was necessary, for the good of the country, for someone to play bad cop.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

03-06-2016 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 499353)

Eh, Republicans hate all Democrats. That's why they've spent more money investigating Dems during the last cycle than any Congress ever before, with zero indictments anywhere in the administration. Zero. It's a world of point and blame, and I stopped giving a shit a long time ago. Watching the level of discussion at the Democratic debate, simply the superior control of facts and the ability to engage in a sustained discussion of policy, there's just no doubt the Democratic candidates are just vastly more adult than what the Rs are serving up.

You don't think some of Cruz' wins yesterday had to do with the caucus/primary split? Believe me, I'll enjoy nothing more than pulling out the popcorn and watching these two go at each other for a couple months, thoroughly sickening the American public in the process, but I'm not sure Cruz has the staying power. The only primaries he's taken so far are Texas and Oklahoma.

SEC_Chick

03-06-2016 05:52 PM

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Officially, Ted Cruz and Trump are now tied in the LA delegate distribution with 18 each and 5 for Rubio. And you realize that Ted Cruz has won Iowa, Alaska, Kansas, and Maine, in addition to Texas and Oklahoma.

And it looks like Marco Rubio is getting all the delegates from Puerto Rico, which should give him a boost in Florida.

Even Lindsay Graham, of "murder Cruz in the Senate and no one will convict" fame, has said that everyone should rally around Cruz as the best person to take down Trump.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

03-06-2016 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 499356)

Just my point on Iowa, Alaska, Kansas and Maine - all caucuses. Much, much narrower electorate. Will Cruz have the legs to win a primary outside his home media markets?

Even if you call his loss in Louisiana a "tie", as politicians are prone to do, he's still in a state that shares media markets with his home state. Will he play in Peoria?

I think the jury is out. Of course, Cruz is much easier for a Dem to beat, so power to him.

Sidd Finch

03-06-2016 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 499353)

I thought Cruz won in caucus states, not closed primary states. Caucuses lend themselves to the committed, Jesus-directed zealot.....

SEC_Chick

03-07-2016 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 499358)

I thought Cruz won in caucus states, not closed primary states. Caucuses lend themselves to the committed, Jesus-directed zealot.....

But the turnout this year is astounding. In one state (Maine, I think) Cruz alone had 3,000 more than the entire GOP field in 2012. Maine is not particularly well known as a hotbed of Jesus crazies.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

03-07-2016 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 499359)

But the turnout this year is astounding. In one state (Maine, I think) Cruz alone had 3,000 more than the entire GOP field in 2012. Maine is not particularly well known as a hotbed of Jesus crazies.

Have you met Gov LePage?

This is the fun of the season. We'll see how it plays out. Maybe he can only win over the crazies at the caucus. Maybe it's the crazies who show to a closed primary that will go for him instead. Either way, doesn't it suggest he's got a lot of work to do to be ready to play in a general election?

Adder

03-07-2016 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 499352)

Jung explains the election.

So you're saying he has a mind-controlling pokey-stick?

ThurgreedMarshall

03-07-2016 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 499348)

http://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-an...ted-1456448550

If you're paywalled, just google "Rise of the Unprotected."

Jesus. Peggy Noonan is as full of shit as ever.

She could have written the same article 30 years ago. There is zero insight in that piece.

The reason why Trump is doing so well now is because (i) we had a black President in office for 8 years, (ii) terrorism is a thing that people can attach to a color and religion, and (iii) we have moved to being a service economy almost completely (read: all the new jobs suck).

Trump's supporters are mostly made up of that irredeemable 35% of our country that is racist as fuck and believe things that are their birthright (like control of the country) are being taken from them personally. They're sick of watching cops being criticized by thugs, gays being treated fairly, women asking for shit, trannies winning courage awards, Muslims doing anything, Kanye being mean to Taylor, Beyoncé being all black at their Super Bowl, etc. Trump speaks their dumbass language. A vote for Trump is a vote for anger while simultaneously being a vote against pussies, fags, thugs, illegals, and terrorists. It's that simple.

TM

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