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sebastian_dangerfield 01-16-2018 07:45 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 512449)
I was a prosecutor, more or less, and my unit did not see success that way. But I think there are a lot of career prosecutors out there who see things the way you describe even though they do not have to worry about getting elected. As much as I like to focus on incentives, I suspect a big part of the problem is the culture within those offices.

Every prosecutor should have to take two pro bono defense cases a year. See it from both sides.

There is nothing scarier than a career prosecutor who’s done nothing else. That sort of mind is necessarily warped.

Tyrone Slothrop 01-16-2018 07:53 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
Wut (see all three tweets)

Adder 01-16-2018 09:34 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 512471)
You are totally ducking the question. The question is not whether she "needed to protect his privacy" -- she made her own decision to violate it. She could have written about what happened without naming him, and that piece could have been a part of the important conversation many people think we are having but without trading on the page hits it got from revealing salacious details about a celebrity. I think we all understand that she did it at least partly out of revenge. You are working hard to avoid identifying any other justification for what she did.

Dude. If she had no need to protect his privacy, then there was no violation. It's not a violation of a person who wronged you's privacy to tell people they wronged you. The wrong-doer has no privacy interest.

She told someone in the press that he was a jerk (you keep acting like she wrote it when she didn't). She gets to do that. Famous dude was a jerk. That's news these days, especially when he was a jerk in sort of the way everyone is talking about.

She did it, per what she said, because she saw hypocrisy in his anti-harassment posing at the golden globes. But so what? Someone who wrongs you doesn't get to claim you can't tell anyone. Where are you getting that?

Did you just call me Coltrane? 01-16-2018 10:40 PM

Re: Chicago question
 
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Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 512470)
Do I want to stay downtown or Wicker Park (or somewhere else like Logan Square)? Thanks in advance,

What are you in town for? Both of those neighborhoods are super easy to get to via the blue line (or Uber/lyft) from the Loop area.

Pretty Little Flower 01-16-2018 10:54 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 512479)
Dude. If she had no need to protect his privacy, then there was no violation. It's not a violation of a person who wronged you's privacy to tell people they wronged you. The wrong-doer has no privacy interest.

She told someone in the press that he was a jerk (you keep acting like she wrote it when she didn't). She gets to do that. Famous dude was a jerk. That's news these days, especially when he was a jerk in sort of the way everyone is talking about.

She did it, per what she said, because she saw hypocrisy in his anti-harassment posing at the golden globes. But so what? Someone who wrongs you doesn't get to claim you can't tell anyone. Where are you getting that?

You know what? You're wronging me right now and if you don't shut the fuck up about this, I'm going to find you and slap you.

Adder 01-16-2018 10:58 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 512481)
You know what? You're wronging me right now and if you don't shut the fuck up about this, I'm going to find you and slap you.

Bring it, but be aware that I may mention your skinny-ass knees or other aspects of your physical appearance that may hurt your feelings.

Pretty Little Flower 01-16-2018 11:01 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 512481)
You know what? You're wronging me right now and if you don't shut the fuck up about this, I'm going to find you and slap you.

And another thing. I accept that one of those Carolina teams has the mascot Gamecocks, because a gamecock is apparently a real thing. But when the Jumbotron displays the team's name as "Game!!!! Cocks!!!!", that is just wrong on so many levels. Mainly on one level. I assume there is a corresponding chant, which is equally disturbing, and makes me hope that Aziz Ansari never works in Hollywood again.

Adder 01-16-2018 11:04 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 512483)
And another thing. I accept that one of those Carolina teams has the mascot Gamecocks, because a gamecock is apparently a real thing. But when the Jumbotron displays the team's name as "Game!!!! Cocks!!!!", that is just wrong on so many levels. Mainly on one level. I assume there is a corresponding chant, which is equally disturbing, and makes me hope that Aziz Ansari never works in Hollywood again.

Have you seen the women's sweatpants that say "cocks" across the bum? You'll be calling for the death penalty for Aziz when you do.

Meanwhile, I'm debating whether to start up with Master of None right now. Probably will watch an episode of Crashing first.

Pretty Little Flower 01-16-2018 11:04 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 512482)
Bring it, but be aware that I may mention your skinny-ass knees or other aspects of your physical appearance that may hurt your feelings.

First, I am not really sure what you mean by "skinny-ass knees." Does anybody other than the morbidly obese have knees that could be described as fat? Second, if you body shame me, you are wronging me, and you lose your right to complain about any efforts I may make to publicly humiliate you.

Adder 01-16-2018 11:20 PM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 512485)
First, I am not really sure what you mean by "skinny-ass knees." Does anybody other than the morbidly obese have knees that could be described as fat? Second, if you body shame me, you are wronging me, and you lose your right to complain about any efforts I may make to publicly humiliate you.

First, any true Scotsman, I mean Minnesotan, knows that "skinny knees" was one of the stupid scout knocks on Teddy Bridgewater pre-draft. (Please ignore the knee that later dislocated and threatened him with amputation or worse and put his career in jeopardy).

Second, you are free to tell the world how I body shamed you. I will not object.

Tyrone Slothrop 01-17-2018 12:36 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 512479)
Dude. If she had no need to protect his privacy, then there was no violation. It's not a violation of a person who wronged you's privacy to tell people they wronged you. The wrong-doer has no privacy interest.

She told someone in the press that he was a jerk (you keep acting like she wrote it when she didn't). She gets to do that. Famous dude was a jerk. That's news these days, especially when he was a jerk in sort of the way everyone is talking about.

She did it, per what she said, because she saw hypocrisy in his anti-harassment posing at the golden globes. But so what? Someone who wrongs you doesn't get to claim you can't tell anyone. Where are you getting that?

I guess I just disagree that acting like a jerk* is a good reason to have that kind of story told about you. Maybe I just respect or value that sort of privacy more.

*And not in "the way everyone is talking about," unless you mean that the story appealed to readers' prurient interests.

Tyrone Slothrop 01-17-2018 12:37 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 512483)
And another thing. I accept that one of those Carolina teams has the mascot Gamecocks, because a gamecock is apparently a real thing. But when the Jumbotron displays the team's name as "Game!!!! Cocks!!!!", that is just wrong on so many levels. Mainly on one level. I assume there is a corresponding chant, which is equally disturbing, and makes me hope that Aziz Ansari never works in Hollywood again.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/6a/0e/2f/6...-gamecocks.jpg

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 01-17-2018 09:01 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 512487)
I guess I just disagree that acting like a jerk* is a good reason to have that kind of story told about you. Maybe I just respect or value that sort of privacy more.

*And not in "the way everyone is talking about," unless you mean that the story appealed to readers' prurient interests.

It's one of those nameless prurient stories one can't even effectively refute it without getting dragged into the mud.

What's he going to do, explain to us how she's misrepresented "the claw", with some more detailed explanation of how it works and why its a turn-on? Yeah, that will go well.

I've seen some suggestion that because she was a young photographer and he was an established star there might be some kind of power dynamics that made this more abusive in nature - anyone got thoughts on that?

sebastian_dangerfield 01-17-2018 09:15 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 512489)
It's one of those nameless prurient stories one can't even effectively refute it without getting dragged into the mud.

What's he going to do, explain to us how she's misrepresented "the claw", with some more detailed explanation of how it works and why its a turn-on? Yeah, that will go well.

I've seen some suggestion that because she was a young photographer and he was an established star there might be some kind of power dynamics that made this more abusive in nature - anyone got thoughts on that?

It’s a bit dramatic, but this person has a whole a lot of thoughts on the issue: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-accuser.html

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 01-17-2018 09:25 AM

Re: Mother, mother, mother - there's too many of you crying.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 512490)
It’s a bit dramatic, but this person has a whole a lot of thoughts on the issue: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-accuser.html

I see very little in there on the pros and cons of the claw.


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