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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
Anne Hathaway has a really nice rack.

Translation: I like Jake Gyllenhaal's beard.

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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
No question the working class may "get it"; it's the arrogant presumption that it will have some great effect on them that bothers me.

Great effect? No. Effect in some way to stimulate a reaction. Yes. That's what art is and it would be a great, great tragedy if people stopped making art to generate an effect.

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Nope. The commentary that goes with the art is patronizing and/or the expectations about how the art could or will transform or change things.

I see. It's not the art, it's the commentary to the art that you object to. Stop listening to people and go look at art. Lots and lots and lots of art. And encourage as much art as possible to be displayed and supported so you get as broad as a view as possible.

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I would think offense would depend on on who is telling him he needs art in his life, and if the person is telling him what kind of art he needs. And not to be even more of a bitch here, but I think the language we use about art can alienate a working stiff. I say Cristo and in turn, you refer to him as "The Cristo" (you say potato; I say potodo). That alone could turn a working stiff off. I would doubt you are pretentious -- but I know some Manhattanites that are and it comes out in their language.

I'm not refering to a person when I say "the Cristo." I'm referring to the work. It's the shorthand I use to talk about a particiular piece art when I've discussed pieces by more than one artist. I don't know much about the man, but I've seen a lot of photographs of his work.

I think that you don't give working stiffs enough credit, especially since most artists ARE working stiffs. People react to art. Good or bad. And they don't necessarily need anyone to tell them that it's good or bad or that they should feel a certain way about the piece. Art is interactive with the audience. Sometimes, of course, having more information about the piece can help the viewer understand the artist's perspective, but for the most part, the viewer's own prejudices, history, and preferences will most influence his or her reaction to a piece.

Installation art, in my opinion, is singularly unique in that it tends to be temporary, it tends to be fairly large and it tends to be site specific. The short duration, the scale and the location add to impact it has on the audience. These are only additional elements that the audience has to process in appreciating a piece of art, but I think that they're interesting. Installation art is obviously not your cup of tea, but it seems to me that your criticism has been of the criticism and not of the piece itself.

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Shape Shifter
Translation: I like Jake Gyllenhaal's beard.

I prefer all of Tom Cruise's beards - but sure, why not?

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Originally posted by barely_legal
Can you possibly be this retarded? There are rules about posting naked pictures, you putrid waste of oxygen.

Mods, can we get this stupid bitch banned if she won't follow the fucking rules?

I agree with you in principle, but lets not be absurd. Your chance of getting called by IT for viewing that pic (which you could technically call art, since it is a Spencer Tunick piece, and he is considered an artist of a sort) is about as high as your chance of finding Burt Reynolds* fisting your husband over your couch when you arrive home tonite.

*I don't know why either.

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Replaced_Texan
I'm not refering to a person when I say "the Cristo." I'm referring to the work. It's the shorthand I use to talk about a particiular piece art when I've discussed pieces by more than one artist. I don't know much about the man, but I've seen a lot of photographs of his work.

It's like referring to a great Shifter post as Le 'Mo

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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
I will conclude with my own favorite public art -- nekkidness. If you haven't seen it yet, check out "Naked World" - an HBO documentary about a dude that gets hordes of people to create big photos with lots of nekkids. That should get more people out of the house.

A friend of mine has been in two Spencer Tunick pieces. I think you can sign up on his website to be notified if he's going to do another shoot in your area.

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sebastian_dangerfield
...is about as high as your chance of finding Burt Reynolds* fisting your husband over your couch when you arrive home tonite.

*I don't know why either.

"Deliverance" era, or "Striptease"?

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Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
The only thing to "get" here was a reaction. And they did.

TM

RT posted about working class minorities being able to "get it". I think talking about whether this or that group of persons will "get" the message is condescending. The exhibit itself is not offending, but some of the talk about it was, IMO.

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
"Deliverance" era, or "Striptease"?

Longest Yard-era (the first one).

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Originally posted by sebastian_dangerfield
I agree with you in principle, but lets not be absurd. Your chance of getting called by IT for viewing that pic (which you could technically call art, since it is a Spencer Tunick piece, and he is considered an artist of a sort) is about as high as your chance of finding Burt Reynolds* fisting your husband over your couch when you arrive home tonite.

*I don't know why either.

Sometimes it's more about the artist than the art.

And I can't even tell you how thrilled I would be to come home and see Burt Reynolds fisting my husband on my couch. I would never wash my husband's asshole again.

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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
No question the working class may "get it"; it's the arrogant presumption that it will have some great effect on them that bothers me.

Dumbing down a display of orange drapes? Anyway, dumbing something down makes it sound like it's urgent that people "get" the actual "message" of the project which, in my book, makes certain presumptions that are questionable.

Nope. The commentary that goes with the art is patronizing and/or the expectations about how the art could or will transform or change things.

I would think offense would depend on on who is telling him he needs art in his life, and if the person is telling him what kind of art he needs. And not to be even more of a bitch here, but I think the language we use about art can alienate a working stiff. I say Cristo and in turn, you refer to him as "The Cristo" (you say potato; I say potodo). That alone could turn a working stiff off. I would doubt you are pretentious -- but I know some Manhattanites that are and it comes out in their language.

Who cares about the difference between what the poor and the rich think about public art displays?

It's art. Some folks take certain things from it; some take others. What they take is colored by their background. Whatever.

I think most of the industrial displays around the cities look like shit because there's only so much you can do with huge sculptures or murals. Its too big to have a really cool personal impact. However, that "Implosion" piece RT posted was pretty cool. But again, you won't see that on a corner in Philly.

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Originally posted by SlaveNoMore
"Deliverance" era, or "Striptease"?

Present day, with the cat-eye facelift.

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Originally posted by Diane_Keaton
RT posted about working class minorities being able to "get it". I think talking about whether this or that group of persons will "get" the message is condescending. The exhibit itself is not offending, but some of the talk about it was, IMO.

No, you posted about that. She posted about making art more accessible to more people as a goal of installation art. You are the only one who assumed there was some reason they would or would not "get it".

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sebastian_dangerfield
Present day, with the cat-eye facelift.

That's just fucking cruel.

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Originally posted by barely_legal
Sometimes it's more about the artist than the art.

And I can't even tell you how thrilled I would be to come home and see Burt Reynolds fisting my husband on my couch. I would never wash my husband's asshole again.

Either your husband's a paraplegic and I'm looking like a huge dick right now, or you've got some 'splainin to do...

So, either:

I'm sorry, or

Tell us wtf you're doing wiping the old boy's cornhole.