LawTalkers

LawTalkers (http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/index.php)
-   Politics (http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16)
-   -   Making Baby Jesus Cry (http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=691)

Spanky 08-10-2005 05:42 PM

Query
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Austin City Limits.

http://www.aclfest.org/

I've heard the hotels are booked, so let me know if you need a place to stay.
If this is a joke I don't get it. Why do think that I would be going to ACL? Did Less say something?

Shape Shifter 08-10-2005 05:43 PM

Communist
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
Being that I am typical moderate Republican in that deep down I am communist, socialist fourth columnist, I have no problem paying for health care for poor people, I just don't want to pay for middle class or rich peoples health care.

Since driving is a priviledge (and not a right) why don't we require everyone that wants a driver license to show proof of medical insurance? If you are poor, and can't afford health insurance, then you can apply to the government and get health insurance. If you can't get health insurance because you have AIDS or something then you just show the government you can't get health insurance so you get the government health insurance. In both cases these people can get a drivers license. If you make less than $100,000 a year and don't drive then you get government health insurance. This would encourage people to take public transit. If you make more than a $100,000 a year and you show up at the hospital without health insurance you are taken out back and shot.

Thoughts?
What do businesses say?

ltl/fb 08-10-2005 05:44 PM

Communist
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
What do businesses say?
Damn. I wish I'd said that.

Connect_the_Dots 08-10-2005 05:45 PM

Communist
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
It's the poor who are judgment proof.
Those lucky bastards. Those lucky, unwashed, smelly, in-bred bastards!

Spanky 08-10-2005 05:46 PM

Communist
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
If you're middle- or upper-class, the hospital can sue you when you don't pay for medical care provided. It's the poor who are judgment proof.
I will rephrase. I think everyone should have health insurance (especially if they have children) I just don't want to pay for it unless they are poor. When people don't have health insurance they only show up to the emergency rooms, clogging up the emergency rooms, and often when it is way too late and making something expensive that could have been cheap if they had gone sooner.

And when I mean government insurace, either the government pays for private insurance, or you can make an appointment at a county hospital. You don't just show up at the emergency room.

Shape Shifter 08-10-2005 05:47 PM

Query
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
If this is a joke I don't get it. Why do think that I would be going to ACL? Did Less say something?
ACL is one of the largest and arguably the best music festival in the country. There's sort of a standing invite for anyone on the board who wants to go. You are a newber, but I wanted to make sure you got the offer.

Spanky 08-10-2005 05:49 PM

Communist
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
What do businesses say?
They don't care about parallel regulations (sorry I couldn't help that) but they say the fact that the US does not have an adequate health care system makes it much cheaper to open factories overseas. Health care costs are one of big businesses biggest complaint about American.

Spanky 08-10-2005 05:50 PM

Query
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
ACL is one of the largest and arguably the best music festival in the country. There's sort of a standing invite for anyone on the board who wants to go. You are a newber, but I wanted to make sure you got the offer.
That is very gracious of you. I will ask the Serbian when I see her. I would return the favor but there is absolutely no reason to ever visit Palo Alto. However, if you ever go to San Francisco I am willing to offer up Less's place.

Nut Case, Sensitive 08-10-2005 05:50 PM

Query
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
If this is a joke I don't get it. Why do think that I would be going to ACL? Did Less say something?
We all go to ACL. We wear nametags with just our avatar on them, but don't give real names. What happens at ACL stays at ACL, but let's just say its really NUTS!

I'm bringing my almond massage oil this year.

Hank Chinaski 08-10-2005 05:57 PM

To the Bookmobile . . .
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I thought we determined that Shifter was bi, no? Or is it Lucky Pierre and Lucky Jacques?
137 homo acts makes you a homo. He may grow a beard from time to time, but he trends pink.

Spanky 08-10-2005 05:59 PM

Query
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Nut Case, Sensitive
We all go to ACL. We wear nametags with just our avatar on them, but don't give real names. What happens at ACL stays at ACL, but let's just say its really NUTS!

I'm bringing my almond massage oil this year.
Instead of torturing us with your pithy comments why don't you just ask NCS out. All she can say is no. From my limited experience with here she seems very direct, confident, and therefore, won't lead you along. You will know right away exactly where you stand. What have you got to lose?

Hank Chinaski 08-10-2005 06:00 PM

Query
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
Question:

I have heard many heterosexual guys say that they can't really be friends with a good looking women because they are always thinking of ways to get them in bed.

I have homosexual men tell me that the reason they have so many friends that are women because they really can't be good friends with a good looking guy because they are always trying to get them in bed.

So does that mean a bi-sexual man can't have any good looking friends?
Both Paigow and i are good friends with SS.

Shape Shifter 08-10-2005 06:00 PM

To the Bookmobile . . .
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
137 homo acts makes you a homo. He may grow a beard from time to time, but he is a trends pink.
It was one act performed 137 times.

Penske_Account 08-10-2005 06:00 PM

Query
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
That is very gracious of you. I will ask the Serbian when I see her. I would return the favor but there is absolutely no reason to ever visit Palo Alto. However, if you ever go to San Francisco I am willing to offer up Less's place.
I will be traveling through San Fran in mid October and through Palo Alto as well. I am not sure Less reads my posts so be sure to let him know.

Also, we need to schedule a time to raid your family's wine cellar.

Spanky 08-10-2005 06:01 PM

To the Bookmobile . . .
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
137 homo acts makes you a homo. He may grow a beard from time to time, but he is a trends pink.
Shifter grows a beard from time to time. How do you know that?

Connect_the_Dots 08-10-2005 06:01 PM

Query
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
Instead of torturing us with your pithy comments
I think his problem is the lack of pith.

Spanky 08-10-2005 06:01 PM

Query
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Penske_Account
I will be traveling through San Fran in mid October and through Palo Alto as well. I am not sure Less reads my posts so be sure to let him know.

Also, we need to schedule a time to raid your family's wine cellar.
I have no social life. Anytime is fine with me.

Penske_Account 08-10-2005 06:01 PM

Query
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
Instead of torturing us with your pithy comments why don't you just ask NCS out. All she can say is no. From my limited experience with here she seems very direct, confident, and therefore, won't lead you along. You will know right away exactly where you stand. What have you got to lose?
Baggage. If you read the FB you would know that at this point she is a huge credit risk.

Spanky 08-10-2005 06:26 PM

Communist
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
What if there isn't any public transportation (e.g. rural (and many suburban) areas)? Is the government charging for this insurance, or is it free?
If you get it from the government there will be a nominal cost. Like 1$. If there is no public transportation you suck it up. This will encourage people to get their politicians to create public transit.

Spanky 08-10-2005 06:28 PM

Communist
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Connect_the_Dots
You mean as long as it doesn't involve abortions?
Actually no - you need to get know some moderate Republicans (I know we are an endangered species).


Quote:

Originally posted by Connect_the_Dots
Doesn't your state require proof of (auto) insurance to drive? Have you ever read an auto policy (on a sleepless night, perhaps)? I am pretty sure that it says something in there about paying for hospital bills as a result of auto injuries (but don't ask for a cite as I am not in the habit of reading State Farm pinko propaganda).
My State requires car insurance. I don't know anything about medical coverage outside auto accidents.

Spanky 08-10-2005 06:31 PM

What is wrong with you people. I know that were at least five of you that said to yourselves when you read my post either "that is one of the dumbest things I have ever read", "is he insane", or "he clearly does not understand the medical industry".

I guess your all just chicken.

Hank Chinaski 08-10-2005 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
I know that were at least five of you that said to yourselves when you read my post
Class, what is the logic flaw in Spanky's posit so far?

Shape Shifter 08-10-2005 06:42 PM

Communist
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
If you get it from the government there will be a nominal cost. Like 1$. If there is no public transportation you suck it up. This will encourage people to get their politicians to create public transit.
Why should we institute a policy that encourages public transit where it's not really feasible or necessary?

Spanky 08-10-2005 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Class, what is the logic flaw in Spanky's posit so far?
If Less were paying attention he would have branded a hammer and sickle on my head by now.

Shape Shifter 08-10-2005 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Class, what is the logic flaw in Spanky's posit so far?
He assumes there are 5 people here who can read?

Hank Chinaski 08-10-2005 06:44 PM

Communist
 
:(

Spanky 08-10-2005 06:47 PM

Communist
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Why should we institute a policy that encourages public transit where it's not really feasible or necessary?
That is a side issue. Maybe we make an exception for that. Anyway I have to go chase Serbians. I will be back in a few hours and I will be making chicken sounds the whole way there.

baltassoc 08-10-2005 06:47 PM

Query
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
Both Paigow and i are good friends with SS.
Yeah, too bad he's going to be out of town ACL weekend.

baltassoc 08-10-2005 06:49 PM

Query
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
That is very gracious of you. I will ask the Serbian when I see her.
SS is being serious. Many of us gather for ACL. This will be my first year, but it was a pretty big gathering last year, I understand.

Shape Shifter 08-10-2005 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
What is wrong with you people. I know that were at least five of you that said to yourselves when you read my post either "that is one of the dumbest things I have ever read", "is he insane", or "he clearly does not understand the medical industry".

I guess your all just chicken.
It's a new way of looking at a problem, which I admire, but (1) I don't see how it would work, (2) it's treating the symptom, not the problem (I'll let you discuss healthcare reform with RT - I don't pretend to have any answers), (3) it would never receive popular support. Keep thinking, though.

ltl/fb 08-10-2005 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
It's a new way of looking at a problem, which I admire, but (1) I don't see how it would work, (2) it's treating the symptom, not the problem (I'll let you discuss healthcare reform with RT - I don't pretend to have any answers), (3) it would never receive popular support. Keep thinking, though.
The answer is rationing care, but that will never receive popular support.

Shape Shifter 08-10-2005 06:50 PM

Communist
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Spanky
That is a side issue. Maybe we make an exception for that. Anyway I have to go chase Serbians. I will be back in a few hours and I will be making chicken sounds the whole way there.
Good luck with that approach.

baltassoc 08-10-2005 06:52 PM

Communist
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Shape Shifter
Good luck with that approach.
Can't really hurt, can it?

ltl/fb 08-10-2005 06:53 PM

Communist
 
Quote:

Originally posted by baltassoc
Can't really hurt, can it?
Showing up buck naked streaked with goose shit couldn't really hurt at this point.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-10-2005 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
The answer is rationing care, but that will never receive popular support.
We ration care now, using markets.

ltl/fb 08-10-2005 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
We ration care now, using markets.
Yup. Nonetheless, people seem to think there is a problem with the amount we are spending. Also, there are a lot of distortions in the market, because this is an area where people don't really, when it comes down to it, like to say no. Or find it palatable/acceptable to say no. Especially to old people and sick people (and sick old people).

Everyone is unwilling to acknowledge that the only real answer to spending less on health care is to provide less care. I mean, you can do stuff around the margins, but when it comes down to it, for the real money, you have to provide less healthcare.

baltassoc 08-10-2005 07:03 PM

Communist
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Showing up buck naked streaked with goose shit couldn't really hurt at this point.
Well, yes, that was kind of my point. But maybe he has a line on the chicken thing. I mean, you never know what kind of thing some people are into.

Tyrone Slothrop 08-10-2005 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
Yup. Nonetheless, people seem to think there is a problem with the amount we are spending, but are unwilling to acknowledge that the only real answer to spending less is to provide less care. I mean, you can do stuff around the margins, but when it comes down to it, for the real money, you have to provide less healthcare.
Spending keeps going up, because we keep developing new drugs and treatments to save and extend lives, and because the country is growing older. I suspect most would be happy if we could just hold spending where it is, but that's not going to happen.

ltl/fb 08-10-2005 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Spending keeps going up, because we keep developing new drugs and treatments to save and extend lives, and because the country is growing older. I suspect most would be happy if we could just hold spending where it is, but that's not going to happen.
Yes, it does, and that is the reason; and no, it's not.

What's your point?

Oh and I edited, if you care to read the revised post, which is basically the same.

Penske_Account 08-10-2005 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb


Everyone is unwilling to acknowledge that the only real answer to spending less on health care is to provide less care. I mean, you can do stuff around the margins, but when it comes down to it, for the real money, you have to provide less healthcare.
As technology pushes the bounds of care, less is actually more. npi. why are the liberals so static in their thinking?


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:32 AM.

Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.
Hosted By: URLJet.com