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Hank Chinaski 02-21-2006 01:36 PM

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Hank, I thought pho was Vietnamese?
it is. and we wouldn't have so much of it here if we hadn't had a war. so if we have a big mid east war maybe we'll have kibbe parlors sprouting up!!

ltl/fb 02-21-2006 01:37 PM

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Right. And the Japanese only slaughtered or made slaves of Koreans outside of Japan. It wasn't genocide, it was a PARTY!
It was mean, but it wasn't genocide.

Not all horrible horrific mass killings are genocide, and calling them that weakens your argument and obscures real genocides.

You are doing to "genocide" what Alanis did to "ironic." Shame on you.

Sidd Finch 02-21-2006 01:39 PM

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Your fight was wheter Ann Coultour's hate-speech was worse than Mikey's "documentaries." I can't defend her explitives. But that is one ignorant person making one ignorant statement that everyone knows is opinion.
You're right. And after all, only "a few" Repubs listen to her (or worship her).

Hank Chinaski 02-21-2006 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
Right. And the Japanese only slaughtered or made slaves of Koreans outside of Japan. It wasn't genocide, it was a PARTY!
I don't think there were (or are) many Koreans in Japan. They don't like each other mostly.

Sidd Finch 02-21-2006 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
It was mean, but it wasn't genocide.

Not all horrible horrific mass killings are genocide, and calling them that weakens your argument and obscures real genocides.

You are doing to "genocide" what Alanis did to "ironic." Shame on you.

My gosh, you're right. Me and the Tokyo War Crimes Tribunals just don't have the slightest idea of what "genocide" means.

ltl/fb 02-21-2006 01:41 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
it is. and we wouldn't have so much of it here if we hadn't had a war. so if we have a big mid east war maybe we'll have kibbe parlors sprouting up!!
We were very inefficient with the Vietnamese thing. Christ, you people suck at this. In Vietnam, we were selectively killing based on actual political affiliations within Vietnam. If it were like my plan (the "Fringe Plan"), we would have bombed the hell out of all cities in Vietnam.

But, our technology was not so good back then and what with all the jungle etc., we might have had trouble locating population centers. In the bleaker desert landscape, habitation is more obvious. And, we have satellite pictures, and heat-sensing technologies and stuff like that. And our planes (used for bombing) have much greater ranges. In order to bomb Vietnam in that way, we probably would have had to bring in ALL our aircraft on aircraft carriers, which are hard to miss on bleak landscapes like the ocean.

ltl/fb 02-21-2006 01:42 PM

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My gosh, you're right. Me and the Tokyo War Crimes Tribunals just don't have the slightest idea of what "genocide" means.
I am glad you see the error of your ways. I will try to set up a meeting between you and Alanis to get her all straightened out.

Sexual Harassment Panda 02-21-2006 01:42 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
It was mean, but it wasn't genocide.

Not all horrible horrific mass killings are genocide, and calling them that weakens your argument and obscures real genocides.

You are doing to "genocide" what Alanis did to "ironic." Shame on you.
I'm confused. I guess the Turks v. Armenians would be genocide, but what about the Romans and the Christians? Genocide, or just an ass-kickin' party?

Hank Chinaski 02-21-2006 01:43 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
We were very inefficient with the Vietnamese thing. Christ, you people suck at this. In Vietnam, we were selectively killing based on actual political affiliations within Vietnam. If it were like my plan (the "Fringe Plan"), we would have bombed the hell out of all cities in Vietnam.

But, our technology was not so good back then and what with all the jungle etc., we might have had trouble locating population centers. In the bleaker desert landscape, habitation is more obvious. And, we have satellite pictures, and heat-sensing technologies and stuff like that. And our planes (used for bombing) have much greater ranges. In order to bomb Vietnam in that way, we probably would have had to bring in ALL our aircraft on aircraft carriers, which are hard to miss on bleak landscapes like the ocean.
are you a body count quota? I'm looking at this solely from a "how many good new type restaurants" do we get if we bomb a particular group of people. In about another hour I think you'll see I'm looking at this from the more reasoned view.

ltl/fb 02-21-2006 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
are you a body count quota? I'm looking at this solely from a "how many good new type restaurants" do we get if we bomb a particular group of people. In about another hour I think you'll see I'm looking at this from the more reasoned view.
I have to have lunch early. Some asshole scheduled a meeting that starts at noon:30.

To get good new restaurants, we'd have to give prior warning to allow emigration. But, if we give prior warning, the bad people can emigrate too.

What's more important, food or national security?

Hank Chinaski 02-21-2006 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by Sidd Finch
My gosh, you're right. Me and the Tokyo War Crimes Tribunals just don't have the slightest idea of what "genocide" means.
I think the Japanese wanted to repopulate Korea, just with people with roots in Japan. So they didn't really have a problem with people living in Korea, they just wanted creative control. Fringey's plan is different- it doesn't really allot for anyone living there for the next thousand years of so.

ltl/fb 02-21-2006 01:51 PM

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I'm confused. I guess the Turks v. Armenians would be genocide, but what about the Romans and the Christians? Genocide, or just an ass-kickin' party?
Well, I am not a European history buff, but I think that the Romans basically controlled all of the known world. If they were trying to obliterate all Christians in the territory they controlled, which was all of the known world, then it seems like it would be genocide. If there were known areas that were not controlled by the Romans, and the Romans were aware of large Christian populations in those areas, and the Romans weren't trying to obliterate the Christians in areas outside of their control, then not genocide. Unless they planned to conquer all unknown territories and obliterate the Christians there too. Then it's planned genocide.

I think perhaps we are confusing "genocide" with "ethnic cleansing," and, even worse, thinking that one of those two terms applies to the Fringe Plan. The Japanese killing all Koreans in Japan, but letting them continue to exist/procreate in Korea (which they controlled?), seems more like an ethnic cleansing thing -- Koreans outside of Japan OK, but no Koreans in Japan. Hitler's plan was a genocide/holocaust because he seemed to want to conquer the world, and kill all Jews in the areas he controlled, which, if all went according to plan, would mean no Jews anywhere.

Under the Fringe Plan, Middle Easterners in the US and the west, OK; anyone currently in the Middle East, not OK.

ltl/fb 02-21-2006 01:55 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
I think the Japanese wanted to repopulate Korea, just with people with roots in Japan. So they didn't really have a problem with people living in Korea, they just wanted creative control. Fringey's plan is different- it doesn't really allot for anyone living there for the next thousand years of so.
I'm not nuking it. Conventional bombing of population centers. And possible major infrastructure that is outside of population centers. We can do food drops for a while, or maybe FEMA will put the survivors up in hotels for a few months until the decimated populations get back on their feet/relocate.

Hank Chinaski 02-21-2006 01:56 PM

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Originally posted by ltl/fb
Well, I am not a European history buff, but I think that the Romans basically controlled all of the known world. If they were trying to obliterate all Christians in the territory they controlled, which was all of the known world, then it seems like it would be genocide. If there were known areas that were not controlled by the Romans, and the Romans were aware of large Christian populations in those areas, and the Romans weren't trying to obliterate the Christians in areas outside of their control, then not genocide. Unless they planned to conquer all unknown territories and obliterate the Christians there too. Then it's planned genocide.

I think perhaps we are confusing "genocide" with "ethnic cleansing," and, even worse, thinking that one of those two terms applies to the Fringe Plan. The Japanese killing all Koreans in Japan, but letting them continue to exist/procreate in Korea (which they controlled?), seems more like an ethnic cleansing thing -- Koreans outside of Japan OK, but no Koreans in Japan. Hitler's plan was a genocide/holocaust because he seemed to want to conquer the world, and kill all Jews in the areas he controlled, which, if all went according to plan, would mean no Jews anywhere.

Under the Fringe Plan, Middle Easterners in the US and the west, OK; anyone currently in the Middle East, not OK.
after WWII we started having a lot more italian restaurants, but not so much German or Japanese. Japanese and korean restaurants didn't catch on until the 80s.

ltl/fb 02-21-2006 01:58 PM

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Originally posted by Hank Chinaski
after WWII we started having a lot more italian restaurants, but not so much German or Japanese. Japanese and korean restaurants didn't catch on until the 80s.
Your restaurant thing may have to do with stuff other than wars. Maybe you need to reexamine your data?


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