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 They have an odd dislike for the people who tend to hold the levers of power in a capitalist system. | 
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 It's a cult of victimology. See Israel. They supported Israel back in the day, after the holocaust, when the Jews were victims. Once Israel become the regional power and a beacon for commerce in the region the liberals (on a global, one world scale) turned hostile. Can't have these victims actually becoming success stories...it would undercut their dependence on their liberal benefactors. It's all about control. The libertarian wing of the conservatives, to contrast, is about individual liberty and responsibility. Unknown concepts to some on the left. | 
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 That's not to say conservatives don't. The Rockefeller Drug Laws are an excellent example of how stupid conservatives can be. Rules are a simple salve for an idiot who doesn't want to take the time to understand the problem. Hence, blind airline screening regs, banning smoking on San Diego beaches, etc... The miles of endless codes, regs and caselaw - that we are so litigious and fixated on the lowest common denominator solution to any problem [passing a law] - is a testament to our lack of creativity and intelligence as a society. | 
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 "You have to belive in something!" "Really, why? But as a matter of fact, I do. Individual freedom." People are dumb. They need groups to identify with. The only movments I require are those that generally follow my 20 oz Sbux coffee. ETA: The problem is, when people think like me, there's no respect for any of the structures around us. Keeping the "guides" of law, God, country, political affiliation allows people to view their lives in terms of right and wrong, success and failure, etc. Some folks need a map. I subscribe to the notion that your guide is in your head. If you need a structure to tell your right from wrong, you're a dumbass. | 
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