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If you could put your explanations of average American voters' motivations in, say, one post daily, and clearly label it as such, it would be easier for the rest of us to ignore. If we wanted that explanation, it's in the New York Times about every other day, and usually accompanied with colorful descriptions of small-town diners, weak coffee and pick-up trucks.

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But am I wrong?

Check out the projections. It’s early, but... My God. This screwball’s going to possibly win.

Oh, but you’re going to get him via impeachment, right?

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If he's still on the ballot next year, I don't think he will win the general election.

I think the House is going to impeach him.

At this point I don't know what the Senate will do.

Trump seems to be delaminating. The handling of the Ukraine thing was bad enough, but he has managed to piss off many of his supporters with his handling of Syria this week, and he has looked incompetent doing it. And hosting the G-7 at Mar-a-Lago seems like the sort of thing calculated to piss off moderate suburban voters. So I don't know where we'll be in two months.

And "you're going to get him via impeachment"? I'm not a Congressman. Why do you have to polarize things?

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Can you remind me why it was that Sebastian was sure there was no quid pro quo?

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I don’t believe I said there was no quid pro quo. I said based on the transcript alone it couldn’t be proven adequately enough to make it impossible for more than 1/3 of the Senate to acquit.

If you’re an R senator, given there’s no one to fill a vacuum if Trump were taken out before the election, and the R base will destroy you in the next primary, you’ve no choice but to acquit.

McConnell’s going to have to lie with a straight face at levels that will test even his ethical limits, which are the stretchiest of the stretchy.

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I went back and reviewed the posts last night. You said the transcript had no evidence of a quid pro quo and there will never be any evidence of a quid pro quo because Giuliani knew exactly where the line was and made sure neither he nor Trump crossed it, even as they danced right up to it.

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So now we know Sebby is really Nick Mulvaney.

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I understand he is just the acting chief of staff and there has been a lot of stuff happening, and we are all a little bit confused by it all . . . but how the fuck did he not get the memo that “no quid pro quo” was a pretty important part of the White House messaging on Ukraine?

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This is what's new in the last few weeks. Things have moved from, "the Senate will never convict" to "the Senate probably won't convict, but who knows." He's making them look bad and they've gone pretty quiet.

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The transcript does not have evidence adequate to prove a quid pro quo on its own. I stand by that.

If you are suggesting that I am giving credit to Giuliani, you are mischaracterizing what was written.

ETA: The subtle joke in your first line of that post is pretty solid. Well done.

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It's hard to keep things straight, what with your lawyers telling you what you need to say to stay out of jail, Trump's lawyers telling you what you need to say to keep him out of jail, the political advisors having their say, and then Putin, Erdogan, and Hannity to all answer to. You can't blame them for having trouble keeping their story straight.

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Mulvaney's statement was simply a further flag in the earth that Trump could shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue. And, unfortunately, it seems to remain true. Reagan was porcelain compared to Trump"s teflon.

LessinTurkmenabat, Turkmenistan

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Is that your prediction?

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He was performing for Trump, not for anyone else, and he knows that Trump loves it when his people say, "You don't like what we're doing? Suck it."