Re: We're in Bat(shit) Country
 

His runs were pathetic. Made Jeb's debacle this year look good in comparison.

Strong President? Nevermind - different thread. Biden actually polls a lot higher than Obama, so who would be this #1?

And yet, better than Hillary. She only gains points when she hides for days on end.

There was that month where the Dem/Left powers that be were practically begging Uncle Joe to jump in - and whether he was paid off or what not - we wont know for a while. However, his positive marks are so much higher, that this election wouldn't even be an issue if he was running. I personally think Biden is a dunce and an inappropriate gropey old guy, but I certainly don't think he's a corrupt felon like Clinton. Many Republicans would not be voting against Biden, so to speak.

FBI is still investigating the Foundation and the Guccifer racket has promised more emails. Odds are low, but don't discount Uncle Joe riding in on a white horse.

SlaveNo(Both the Carnahan precedent and the Torricelli election rules seem to prove the Dems like last-minute changes) More

Re: We're in Bat(shit) Country
 

As I wrote, and I believe Ty agreed, no one in the Dem party had the balls to challenge the Queen Clinton, other than the rumpled pretend Socialist Larry David wannabe.

As the exposed emails made clear (i) they referred to Hillary as the "Nominee" before she even announced - fix in, yeah probably; (ii) As Bernie is concerned, he.was.not.a.Democrat. Yeah, the emails show the fix was in (proving him correct), but...but...he's not a Democrat. Call me crazy, but why SHOULD the DNC help a usurper of their party? I get both sides of this one - and pass the popcorn. The more emails that come out (and the more that Bernie disdains all those kids that sent him money), the more votes for, in order, Stein, [stay home], Johnson and Trump.

No. Hillary goes home.

His backers told him to stay back. Too much money to be made.

He could have easily thrown her under the bus. Obama despises her, and is only supporting her for his own legacy (her SoS term could ruin his entire legacy) and Michelle's political aspirations.

If she was a girl named [Thurgreed] or a guy named [Slave], she'd currently be in jail, perhaps for life

Right. Flyover-Land ignoramus crackers generally like old, white gropey men more than they like old, white, mean women that are married to - and publicly defend - old, white gropey men. Gotta be some hypocrisy in here somewhere.

SlaveNo(And the Sanitarium just revoked my Internet access. See ya'll again in a month)More

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Why do people support Trump? Interesting and depressing.

Re: We're in a Banana Republic
 

Probably I have paid more attention to the various laws governing the handling of federal email and access to federal IT systems than you have, but if that's the rule of law, it's out of Kafka. A non-slackish view towards those laws is crazy, and fortunately most prosecutors get that. Oddly, all the journalists who were so upset about Obama's so-called war on the press don't seem to have the same qualms about reporting on Hillary's email.

Again: So what? She doubtless got advice from someone that she could set up her email that way. (Bad advice.) Other lawyers different. Prosecutors with other things to do don't see a reason to pursue it.

There's a senior citizen center near my house where the speed limit drops to 25. It's posted, but most people don't slow. Disregard of the rule of law? The speed limit is posted.

Re: We're in Bat(shit) Country
 

That was the media, hoping for a race to cover. I know it's hard for you to tell the difference.

Re: We're in a Banana Republic
 

Re: We're in Bat(shit) Country
 

Hillary Derangement Syndrome runs strong in you.

Why hasn't trump responded to the NAMBLA charges? People are talking about them.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I didn't think its all that depressing.

It confirms what I've always thought - Trump's appeal is heavily to affluent whites entitled whites eager to blame other people (Hi Slave!) not to working class stiffs who are actually singing the blues in today's economy.

That's a much narrower demographic, especially in places like Pennsylvania and Michigan where some thought he'd make a showing.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I know it's cool to ignore me, or maybe there just is no way of knowing, but I fear the Bradley effect.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Maybe.

There are a lot of cross currents in the polls. But I see a lot of traditional R votes going D right now.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

The Donald said he is winning but peeps are ashamed to admit they will vote for him, so the polls are flawed.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Most of Donald's supporters are loud mouths.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I'm not afraid of the ones who say they are, or rather I fear them in a different way. But the Bradley effect can't be 5%, can it?

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I think there are a half dozen things that can throw the polls off this season, but will be surprised if it all nets out that much to anyone. But I'm sort of doubling the margin of error in my head whenever I see a poll.

I think we could see Trump voters not turning out because it's all rigged anyways, Hillary voters not turning out if they think its a sure thing, Republican secretly voting for Hillary but not saying so because, hey, you don't say such things in Alabama, assholes from all parties voting Donald but not saying so because they don't want to seem like an asshole, all to say nothing of third parties.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

And yet Hollywood, Wall Street and Silicon Valley are nearly universal in their financial support for Hillary. Por que?

GOP voters dont respond to polls, especially in this climate. Those numbers are way off.

SlaveNo(Lies to pollsters all the time)More

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

qed

Re: We're in Bat(shit) Country
 

That you would celebrate such a vile cretin makes you far more deranged than me, but c'est la vie.

I'm quite sure this will actually be a thing at some point. Will Reid suggest it from the Senate floor so as not to be charged for slander?

Ty - email your buddies Josh and Ezra and find out exactly when this NAMBLA Hit Piece goes live on Journolist 2.0.

SlaveNo(eyeroll)More

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

"Ashamed"? No, that ain't it.

When people are hit - in public - with tire irons for wearing Trump shirts...

when cars are vandalized and tires slashed for having a Trump (hell, any GOP candidate's) sticker...

when people are called racist, and stupid, and xenophobic, etc., and publicly Doxxed for supporting a national candidate...

don't you think a large segment of that voting block is going to clam up - or outright deny their position - to save their health, property and reputation?

SlaveNo(so yes, the polls are way the fuck off)More

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I didn't let guy in on the merge cause he had a trump sticker.

Just kidding, I didn't let him in because he was driving a Caddy.

Just kidding, I didn't let him in because I don't let anyone in.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I will say that even here in Texas, which is still in the safe column for Trump (unlike Georgia, Utah, and S. Carolina) I have not personally seen a single Trump hat, yard sign, or bumper sticker. That may be because his field operation sucks, or people don't want them, but I have seen many more Bernie stickers. I was tempted to order one of his personalized yard signs that is supposed to say something like The Chick Family supports Trump/Pence, but make it say "Losers and Whiners" instead, but it would have required me to send them money, so I can dream.

OTOH, I have received only positive feedback from my tailgate magnet (as I detest the permanence of stickers) that says Everybody Sucks 2016: The U.S. is Doomed.

I love how in the rabid delusions of Trump supporters on Twitter, Never Trump was a big pathetic nothing burger to be mocked. Now it is Never Trump that is solely to blame for his impending loss. I know that I, personally, have prevented the campaign from establishing field offices and buying adds. So much winning.

I do believe the polls. It doesn't make me happy that Hillary is going to win. But it's survivable.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Wager for all of the imaginary internet dollars: Trump does not break 35% of the popular vote.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Such suffering! We all feel your pain. We'll try to let you abuse gold star families in peace.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

For the Hillary campaign, every state has a printing budget for signs, and most states send an allocation to the organization in each county or town, depending on how they are organized. So there's some volunteer in my town charged with getting Hillary signs in all the best places he or she can. Field Campaign 101.

For the Trump campaign, I understand you can buy signs or get them at rallies, but there is no system for distributing them.

It's kind of amazing. The Republicans have a guy who doesn't know the basics for putting together a campaign for dog warden running for President.

And now Don the Con is hot to have pollwatchers everywhere black folks vote. Yeah, I look forward to seeing them handle the mechanics of getting a couple hundred thousand people in place at polling stations with useful lists, instructions and signs. And an organization in place to supervise them, deal with problems, and route issues to the right place.

Maybe if they hadn't already spat on all the Republicans who know how to do this?

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

My favorite today is the WSJ op-ed.

"Please, please, don't make us support a Democrat. We can deal with a little racism, and a healthy dose of xenophobia, and some damage to America abroad - you know we put our money before our country - but, please, don't be such a raving crazed frothing at the mouth lunatic that we will even be laughed at at the Country Club if we support you. Please. Pretty Please."

Yeah, that's a source for objective perspectives.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I have a friend in the Texas House (Republican; and he already won his primary this year) who I've never agreed with on a single political issue. This week he posted the article about the son of illegals who just won an Olympic medal for the US with #NeverTrump and I was forced to like one of his political posts. Glad to see him stand on his principles.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

FYI, Nate Silver says the Dems have about a 1:3 chance of winning Texas. You're trending purple.

After this election, some folks may need to move to Oklahoma.

Btw
 

If you've not read it, America's War for the Greater Middle East, is definitely worth the read.

ETA: Especially if you're at all entertaining the idea that Hillary is no different from the neocons on foreign policy.

Re: We're in Bat(shit) Country
 

Not sure how I got involved in this one, but you can leave me out.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

2. But I've had a couple of youth-soccer magnets on one car for so long that I'm pretty sure that the paint under them is a different color now.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

That's a tough bet. Thirty percent of this country is irredeemably fucking racist. The question is, will they vote in proportion?

TM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

Hahaha!

You don't understand that this is just a call to have his bonehead supporters harassing people in minority neighborhoods? You don't need formal organization for that.

TM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

The idea of unorganized boneheads harassing people in minority neighborhoods is much more frightening that the idea of organized boneheads doing the same.

I can see myself now on election day on some flying squad dealing with assholes as they break every law in the books. ("What do you mean I can't ask these people to show they're a citizen before going past?"). I have a strange feeling they'll want me doing street stuff instead of the office work.

Dems are going to need a lot of election day lawyer volunteers.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

This was an interesting Reddit thread talking about how disorganized the Sanders ground game was compared to Obama 08 and 12. AFAIK, Hillary has all of Obama's main people. I can only imagine what the comparable Trump threads look like. https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/co...z5mx?context=3

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I believe that because Trump has never created a conventional campaign organization, the RNC has filled that void, but is now weighing redistributing resources to congressional campaigns. If Trump feels betrayed by that move, that could be a lot of fun.

Paranoia strikes deep.
 

Dude, you know I love you like that cousin of mine who doesn't hide the single malt when family arrives (even though he knows that I think that our potato-grubbing ancestors are rolling in their graves because he drinks that pretentious smoky shit), but this is Hillary. Fucking. Clinton. we are talking about.

Rice or Powell having more at risk? Oh, please. As demonstrated by everything from "why is her last name still 'Rodham'?" through "why is she running drugs into Arkansas at a small airport?" to "why did she kill her former law partner Vince Foster?" to "why is her former law partner Web Hubbell taking the fall for her?" to "why is she ordering the Secret Service to decorate the White House Christmas tree with dildo ornaments?" to ... ah, too many to list -- but Google these, please -- anything that HRC does becomes ammunition for her enemies. The irony is that her efforts to protect herself end up hurting her more than the substance of what's out there, but as someone once put it, it ain't paranoia when they really are out to get you.

Had we but world enough, and time.
 

Yes, in those halcyon days of yore, reviewing emails used to be much more interesting. But even now, at least on occasion, one comes across interesting correspondence which shows that the arrows of Cupid strike unpredictable targets.

Re: Interesting Perspective
 

Yes, but you know that about her. You know only what's been leaked about Der Trumper, and you don't know if that's true.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

I don't think that's correct. I think that support for racist, xenophobic candidates is rampant among lower and working class voters. It always has been and always will be. It's just that most of those folks don't vote and they don't take polls. They either have to get back to their shift or they don't really want to hear none of the bullshit.

The author says theses people don't exist. It's not that they don't exist. They just know they don't count and they've given up.

The piece is correct that what is giving Trump legs in primaries and polls is that suddenly rich white people in their rich white enclaves are feeling free to say out loud at the office and the cocktail parties what used to be whispered jokes in the locker room at the club.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

In around 2001, I was a junior corporate associate during the dot com bust. The firm picked up some major class action litigation and so the corporate associates with extra time and in need of hours all got volunteered for the email review. I would rather put in hours at the printer or put together thousands of secretary's certificates for a closing than review set after set of email. I did come across a few work-inappropriate jokes, but not nearly enough to make it interesting.

The worst part of Trump is that he has personified every horrible stereotype that has ever been spoken about Republicans. A year ago I would have argued with my last breath that by and large the Republican party wasn't racist. Now all I can say is that I am no longer a Republican.

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 

So recall our discussion here about how I considered Hillary to be a hypocrite because she said that every accuser should be believed, after she had actively sought to discredit Bill's victims? As it turns out Hillary has now scrubbed all references to her position that every woman be believed from her website.

So I will concede she is now less of a hypocrite.

(But she is still no friend to women.)