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sebastian_dangerfield 03-30-2016 12:59 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 499897)
I am feeling a bit more cheerful today. Trump, upon realizing that he will likely not receive the required delegates, is really starting to melt down a bit. Even Ann Coulter has called him "mental".

My good spirits are precipitated by yesterday's news that Rubio has taken action to affirmatively remove himself from the CA ballot, which should hurt Trump. The polling is tight and generally, Cruz has overperformed and Trump has underperformed the polling by roughly 4-5 points each. Winning CA would be huge. That and a win in Wisconsin for Cruz, which seems pretty certain now with a Scott Walker has endorsed and Trump has appeared typically idiotic in interviews with local radio hosts (which he would never had done if he had competent campaign advisers and management), means that Trump will not get the nomination on the first ballot.

Rubio has further contacted the states where he won delegates and has not released them. Where delegates are usually free to vote their preference after their candidate drops out, Rubio has acted to keep is delegates bound to him on the first ballot, which further hurts Trump. Cruz has been active in states like SC, installing his people as delegates which can only be picked from people who attended the last party convention. He is clearly out-maneuvering the Trump campaign.

While I am a bit more confident that Trump won't win the nomination outright, I do not have words for the hatred and revulsion I feel for John Kasich at this time.

That's all fine and dandy. But your party? It's dead. And though a lot of the credit will immediately go to Trump, like so many other things he's allegedly "won," it will be undeserved.

The blame is squarely on the shoulders of the GOP itself. And you can see it played out plainly in the way the party has behaved since Obama took office. Anti-science, anti-women's rights, anti-immigrant... disrespectful of an elected President who's beaten the fuck out of it twice in elections... owned by plutocrats so out of touch they not only nominate a clearly doomed loser like Romney, but actually think he's going to win and become incredulous when he doesn't!

Trump may be a bigot and an idiot. But that in no way distinguishes him from 80% of the rest of the GOP. It's an old man's Archie Bunker party. It's stupid, it's out of touch, and that's proven by its candidates. Bush and Rubio, the bought-and-paid-for plutocrat servants. Carson, the anti-science crank. Trump, the... well, Trump. Cruz, a dangerous, clinically terminal sociopath. Fiorina, the bored, golden-parachuted business failure.

These people are what you get when you have a party of No Ideas.

The perfect ending to this campaign season would be for Trump to take off the mask and say, "I've been fucking with you. I wanted to see just how far I could go acting like an over-the-top imbecile. Apparently, nearly all the way."

And now I have to listen to Establishment Republicans fret over Trump, and complain that Kasich is robbing Cruz of the best chance at winning the White House? In what fantasyland does this scenario approach reality? And in what delusion are Trump and Kasich the villains? Trump is bringing in the voters without whom the GOP would have 000.00 enhanced turnout this election. Kasich is the sole statesman-like candidate on the stage, without whose presence the primary process would have 000.00 dignity.

You can hate Kasich all you like. But he's not the problem. A party that needs to die is dying, and it's the Establishment's fault. They deserve it, and as a moderate, libertarian leaning person who feels abandoned by the GOP, I couldn't be happier to see it happen.

If it comes to Cruz versus Hillary, I'll vote for her. Happily.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-30-2016 12:59 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 499911)
Kasich's nice guy/only adult in the room spiel is all an act. He's a pretty well known a-hole in GOP circles. Even among other career politicians. That's saying something. For an example, see his account of his 2008 traffic stop:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/nTf_qyRXhxk

He claimed a fake Romney endorsement in Utah, when Romney was stumping for Cruz. He did not get enough signatures to get on the ballot in Pennsylvania and is there only by the graces of a college kid Rubio supporter who dropped the challenge when Rubio suspended. He also did not get enough signatures to get on the ballot in Illinois, which personally offends my rule-following ways. When Rubio encouraged his Ohio supporters to vote Kasich, he received a big middle finger in return in Florida. His asserts that he likes to keep religion out of things only until he invokes it in expanding Medicaid telling those that disagree that they are un-Christian.

He is well liked by the people on this board. Democrats. Is it that hard to understand why many Republicans dislike him? Obamacare, path to citizenship, Common Core, assault weapons ban -- he's on the non-Republican side of a lot of issues. Of the original 17 candidates, there was a dozen of them I would get behind. Kasich wasn't one of them.

Kasich needs about 2000% of the remaining delegates to win. He's won exactly one state and gets offended when confronted with, you know, math. He thinks he can win on a subsequent ballot while there will likely be riots in Cleveland (courtesy of Trump supporters). Heck, he came in 4th place after Rubio in Nevada a week after Rubio dropped out. Given the impossibility of him winning, he seems to almost intentionally spoiling the #NeverTrump movement. A vote for Kasich is a vote for Trump.

I don't like the guy much at all. He seems best liked here by the independents.

I will give him this, though, it is pretty unChristian to oppose Medicaid expansion. I missed that, but if he said it, good for him. I say that as a Christian who is sick of people using my religion to be assholes. Congratulations, you've done more to make me like the guy than Sebby, who actually does like him.

SEC_Chick 03-30-2016 12:59 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 499799)
I find it difficult to believe that six women have wanted to have sex with Ted Cruz, but I suppose everyone has a fetish.

I can't find the post now, but I am pretty sure that I mentioned on this board that Cruz would have been on my laminated list, were I to have one.

SEC_Chick 03-30-2016 01:04 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 499914)
I don't like the guy much at all. He seems best liked here by the independents.

I will give him this, though, it is pretty unChristian to oppose Medicaid expansion. I missed that, but if he said it, good for him. I say that as a Christian who is sick of people using my religion to be assholes. Congratulations, you've done more to make me like the guy than Sebby, who actually does like him.

Or perhaps one can agree that it is important to help the poor, but believe that government is not the best or most effective way to do so.

sebastian_dangerfield 03-30-2016 01:04 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 499911)
Kasich's nice guy/only adult in the room spiel is all an act. He's a pretty well known a-hole in GOP circles. Even among other career politicians. That's saying something. For an example, see his account of his 2008 traffic stop:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/nTf_qyRXhxk

He claimed a fake Romney endorsement in Utah, when Romney was stumping for Cruz. He did not get enough signatures to get on the ballot in Pennsylvania and is there only by the graces of a college kid Rubio supporter who dropped the challenge when Rubio suspended. He also did not get enough signatures to get on the ballot in Illinois, which personally offends my rule-following ways. When Rubio encouraged his Ohio supporters to vote Kasich, he received a big middle finger in return in Florida. His asserts that he likes to keep religion out of things only until he invokes it in expanding Medicaid telling those that disagree that they are un-Christian.

He is well liked by the people on this board. Democrats. Is it that hard to understand why many Republicans dislike him? Obamacare, path to citizenship, Common Core, assault weapons ban -- he's on the non-Republican side of a lot of issues. Of the original 17 candidates, there was a dozen of them I would get behind. Kasich wasn't one of them.

Kasich needs about 2000% of the remaining delegates to win. He's won exactly one state and gets offended when confronted with, you know, math. He thinks he can win on a subsequent ballot while there will likely be riots in Cleveland (courtesy of Trump supporters). Heck, he came in 4th place after Rubio in Nevada a week after Rubio dropped out. Given the impossibility of him winning, he seems to almost intentionally spoiling the #NeverTrump movement. A vote for Kasich is a vote for Trump.

You're right about all of this, and someone I know who's worked with him has stated he can be an asshole at times, but usually when he thinks the other side's view is too ideological.

So, given all you've cited, where can I sign up to volunteer for him?

ThurgreedMarshall 03-30-2016 01:07 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 499911)
He is well liked by the people on this board. Democrats. Is it that hard to understand why many Republicans dislike him?

Please name one Democrat on this board who likes him. I think he is a fucking hump and I hope he burns in hell. Preferring him to Trump or Cruz is like saying, "I'd rather take an ice pick to the brain than be placed on a spit and cooked to death slowly."

TM

Adder 03-30-2016 01:11 PM

As the choppers hover outside my window
 
The Minneapolis cops shot a black man, Jamar Clark, in the head last fall. The cops who shot him tried to tackle him to cuff him and said that after the tackle failed to control him, he grabbed the tackling officer's gun. The other officer said he gave a warning and then fired. The county attorney says DNA evidence corroborates this because Clark's DNA was on the officer's belt and gun.

Some eyewitnesses said Clark was handcuffed at the time he was shot. The officers said he wasn't. The prosecutor says physical evidence suggests he wasn't, as there was no bruising on his wrists and no blood or DNA on the inside of the cuffs (Clark's blood was on the outside of the cuffs, which were found in the grass).

There will be protests. Many who protest will believe that the man was cuffed (I think the prosecutor made a reasonable case that he wasn't). Apparently state law (according to the prosecutor) says you have to judge them at the moment they decided to use the force in question. If so, maybe no charges is the legally appropriate outcome.

But there's video. It doesn't show everything, so it's hard to tell, but the impression is clearly two idiot cops show up to a scene that isn't particularly chaotic and escalate to a man's death in just over a minute.

The prosecutor said that having failed to cuff the man immediately, one of the cops tried to tackle him because he had been trained at a prior job that it is a good way to get cuffs on someone. Clearly it is not, and the prosecutor's statement certainly implies that he and perhaps the MPD don't think it is. That decision - to immediately use force to gain compliance - led directly the chaos that ultimately justified the force that killed the Clark. That's the problem.

The two bumbling officers probably legitimately did fear for their lives, because they had failed to control the situation and wound up apparently believing the Clark was going to get control of one of their guns. That's enough, I guess, to exonerate them, but it doesn't exonerate the system.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-30-2016 01:11 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 499916)
Or perhaps one can agree that it is important to help the poor, but believe that government is not the best or most effective way to do so.

I tell you what, put together and find funding for a way to provide such care without federal funding to a substantial number of people who would be covered under Medicaid expansion in any of the red states that have turned down the funding. Then we'll talk.

Until someone does that, the unChristian assholes turning down the funding are just a death panel for the poor.

ThurgreedMarshall 03-30-2016 01:12 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 499915)
I can't find the post now, but I am pretty sure that I mentioned on this board that Cruz would have been on my laminated list, were I to have one.

Good God. What happened to you as a child?

TM

Sidd Finch 03-30-2016 01:16 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 499916)
Or perhaps one can agree that it is important to help the poor, but believe that government is not the best or most effective way to do so.

I see a thousand points of light.....

sebastian_dangerfield 03-30-2016 01:16 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 499915)
I can't find the post now, but I am pretty sure that I mentioned on this board that Cruz would have been on my laminated list, were I to have one.

Everybody has a Cruz story (people who knew him in college and law school, mostly).

Every one of them is variant of this:

"He's incredibly smart - perhaps the smartest person I knew. He is pathologically ambitious, and an incredibly hard worker...

And if I saw him at 100 yards, I'd run. He's the biggest dickhead I've ever known. He's only out for himself and would knife his mother for power. He's enormously annoying and probably on the spectrum. The man can't speak but to claim he knows everything and start a heated debate on some third rail issue...

Seriously, he's the biggest tool I've ever known. We used to hide when we'd see him at parties."

The man has no real friends, no alliances, and at this late stage can barely summon meager endorsements. The only thing he has going for him is he's lied to enough dimwit evangelicals to have acquired second place in a race against a man who has the highest unlikeablility ratings in political history.

Sidd Finch 03-30-2016 01:19 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 499921)
Good God. What happened to you as a child?

TM

Is she one of the denizens of this board who fucked Less? That might explain things.

Adder 03-30-2016 01:22 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 499916)
Or perhaps one can agree that it is important to help the poor, but believe that government is not the best or most effective way to do so.

I don't think there's much evidence for that, and there is much to the contrary, but yes, one could believe that, I guess.

SEC_Chick 03-30-2016 01:23 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Does anyone have any thought as to how the release of the DC Madam's records could impact the 2016 presidential race?

One of the candidates or do you think it's Bill?

http://wtop.com/presidential-electio...cords-or-else/

Adder 03-30-2016 01:38 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 499926)
Does anyone have any thought as to how the release of the DC Madam's records could impact the 2016 presidential race?

One of the candidates or do you think it's Bill?

http://wtop.com/presidential-electio...cords-or-else/

Could be Trump. Could be Kasich. Timing doesn't seem right for Cruz.

Could be Bernie, but he doesn't seem like the type.

Hillary would be the most fun.


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