LawTalkers - Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.

That's the hole in Libertarianism. People informally organized are not the best means of helping those in need. The Churches will not do it (particularly the ones polluted with "prosperity gospel") adequately. The communities won't do it adequately.

The argument isn't whether the state or private citizens should maintain the safety nets. It's clearly a state thing. The argument is how far the safety nets should go.

sebastian_dangerfield

03-30-2016 02:05 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 499921)

Good God. What happened to you as a child?

TM

I actually asked my wife about this a while back. The truth is, plenty of women would bang Ted Cruz.

Her price was $57,000,000.00.

ThurgreedMarshall

03-30-2016 02:20 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 499916)

Or perhaps one can agree that it is important to help the poor, but believe that government is not the best or most effective way to do so.

Yes. Best way is probably to tie it to religion so that we can force those who don't share our viewpoints to listen up if they want help or even better, restrict assistance to those who agree with our ideas! Much more efficient that way.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall

03-30-2016 02:25 PM

Re: As the choppers hover outside my window

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 499919)

The Minneapolis cops shot a black man, Jamar Clark, in the head last fall. The cops who shot him tried to tackle him to cuff him and said that after the tackle failed to control him, he grabbed the tackling officer's gun. The other officer said he gave a warning and then fired. The county attorney says DNA evidence corroborates this because Clark's DNA was on the officer's belt and gun.

Some eyewitnesses said Clark was handcuffed at the time he was shot. The officers said he wasn't. The prosecutor says physical evidence suggests he wasn't, as there was no bruising on his wrists and no blood or DNA on the inside of the cuffs (Clark's blood was on the outside of the cuffs, which were found in the grass).

There will be protests. Many who protest will believe that the man was cuffed (I think the prosecutor made a reasonable case that he wasn't). Apparently state law (according to the prosecutor) says you have to judge them at the moment they decided to use the force in question. If so, maybe no charges is the legally appropriate outcome.

But there's video. It doesn't show everything, so it's hard to tell, but the impression is clearly two idiot cops show up to a scene that isn't particularly chaotic and escalate to a man's death in just over a minute.

The prosecutor said that having failed to cuff the man immediately, one of the cops tried to tackle him because he had been trained at a prior job that it is a good way to get cuffs on someone. Clearly it is not, and the prosecutor's statement certainly implies that he and perhaps the MPD don't think it is. That decision - to immediately use force to gain compliance - led directly the chaos that ultimately justified the force that killed the Clark. That's the problem.

The two bumbling officers probably legitimately did fear for their lives, because they had failed to control the situation and wound up apparently believing the Clark was going to get control of one of their guns. That's enough, I guess, to exonerate them, but it doesn't exonerate the system.

You have the video of the shooting? I can't seem to find it amongst the videos of the aftermath and protesting.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall

03-30-2016 02:34 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 499927)

Could be Trump. Could be Kasich. Timing doesn't seem right for Cruz.

Could be Bernie, but he doesn't seem like the type.

Hillary would be the most fun.

"names and addresses of eight hundred fifteen Washington, D.C. clients"

That's [a big reason] why you don't do this shit, even if you're a nobody.

TM

Adder

03-30-2016 02:34 PM

Re: As the choppers hover outside my window

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 499933)

You have the video of the shooting? I can't seem to find it amongst the videos of the aftermath and protesting.

TM

Not really, it's just out of frame here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdtE...ature=youtu.be

Everything that the County Attorney has released is here: http://www.hennepinattorney.org/news...form=hootsuite

The County Attorney on the tackle:
"in a current news conference, freeman said take down move by ringgenberg not favored or taught by MPD"

And the timing:
"freeman concerned incident took 61 seconds to become fatal"

Pretty Little Flower

03-30-2016 02:51 PM

Re: Trump/Sanders Voters

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 499908)

But that reply adds little to the back and forth TM and I were having.

You cannot be seriously cluck clucking your disapproval of me because my response did not elevate your nuanced political discourse and/or substantively and meaningfully address arguments such as: "They got dumber. And they kept fucking. And now we're in Idiocracy." What if I tell you that I was just tying to lob a hand grenade into a endlessly repetitive and increasingly absurd debate. (Seriously, I think you are the only person other than stripper-obssessed rappers who cares so passionately about the fate of the $100 bill.) But, o.k., for the millionth fucking time: You keep saying (or implying) that Trump is going to end up being an establishment centrist surrounded by smart and practical advisors, and the whole racist, homophobic, misogynistic, xenophobia thing is just a convenient act he uses to get voters and that happens to dovetail, in part, with his REAL anti-golabilization agenda. But you are pulling this out your ass. I admit that I have no idea whether or how much of the whole racist bully thing is an act. AND THAT'S THE FUCKING PROBLEM. It is just as likely that he is a racist, misogynist, xenophobe and this anti-globalization thing is just a convenient act he uses to get voters who are angry about lost jobs, and which happens to dovetail nicely with his racist xenophobic agenda. Actually, it is just one of the problems. Because even if you were able to convince me that you somehow had some magical fucking insight into the Trumpian brain and knew for a fact that it was 100% an act, the fact that he uses this act as part of his political strategy is disgusting and, alone, should completely disqualify him from being considered even remotely seriously as presidential candidate. Moreover, the fact that I am still having to explain this would be terribly disheartening if I actually gave a fuck about elevating the nuanced political discourse you are engaged in here. Instead, I will dedicate today's Daily Dose to you. Funkadelic, from 1972. A message of hope from the midst of a deeply troubled political landscape:

"Our country and our cities, they have been betrayed for money
Oh, and somehow, the people, they will make a change, yeah
There's not a doubt in my mind
If hunger and anger place the blame
There won't be a country left to change."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp93s2nmUhU

Gattigap

03-30-2016 02:58 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 499923)

Everybody has a Cruz story (people who knew him in college and law school, mostly).

Every one of them is variant of this:

"He's incredibly smart - perhaps the smartest person I knew. He is pathologically ambitious, and an incredibly hard worker...

And if I saw him at 100 yards, I'd run. He's the biggest dickhead I've ever known. He's only out for himself and would knife his mother for power. He's enormously annoying and probably on the spectrum. The man can't speak but to claim he knows everything and start a heated debate on some third rail issue...

Seriously, he's the biggest tool I've ever known. We used to hide when we'd see him at parties."

The man has no real friends, no alliances, and at this late stage can barely summon meager endorsements. The only thing he has going for him is he's lied to enough dimwit evangelicals to have acquired second place in a race against a man who has the highest unlikeablility ratings in political history.

Latest one I heard revolved around Cruz in college. At Princeton he was in the dorms playing poker with other guys (apparently not permitted under university rules) and had a bad night, ended up down about $2000.

He didn't have it. But instead of working something out with the other guys he owed the money to, he went to the RA in the dorm and ratted out his friends for playing poker in the dorms.

ThurgreedMarshall

03-30-2016 03:10 PM

Re: As the choppers hover outside my window

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 499935)

Yeah. I'll say this. The fact that any witness account to any incident in which a cop is involved is overlooked in favor of the officer's account (and automatically and immediately ignored if the witness is black) by the prosecutor and seemingly every fact-finder in these cases is the issue.

My new favorite is the "Stop resisting, don't go for my gun," bullshit they shout to justify beating the fuck out of (or straight murdering) someone. But they only started doing this when cameras were introduced and it's almost always, conveniently, said off camera.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVaU8qm2LhQ

TM

sebastian_dangerfield

03-30-2016 03:10 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.

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Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 499942)

He's the "Alex P. Keaton joins the Hitler Youth" candidate. Socially awkward tool raised by religious nut parents takes venom out on the world by adopting radical lunatic views. Goes to law school, ratcheting up douchebag-with-Aspergerer's tendencies (any doubt Cruz was the gunner who asked irritating questions with :30 minutes left in class?). Then, of course, off to work in politics.

Adder

03-30-2016 03:15 PM

Re: As the choppers hover outside my window

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 499943)

Yeah, although its hard because we know eyewitnesses are horribly unreliable.

The officer statements (according to Freeman) that Clark said, "I'm ready to die" and had a "thousand-yard stare" certainly do nothing to make their version not sound entirely made up too.

ThurgreedMarshall

03-30-2016 03:22 PM

Re: As the choppers hover outside my window

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 499945)

It's the good old magical, unstoppable, hyper-Negro yarn that is either used to justify criminal behavior by the police or worse, actually believed to be true, which leads them to treat black people like wild animals that need to be put down.

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy

03-30-2016 03:36 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 499932)

There are some great religious charities out there, including hospitals run by religious groups, and I have no doubt that conservatives could, if they wanted to, build some great charitable hospitals providing free or subsidized care on top of government assistance as an alternative in the red states.

But the ones that exist now (with the possible exception of St. Jude's in Memphis) depend very heavily on government and insurer payments for healthcare and I expect would love to see Medicaid broadened. I know one person on the board who could tell us for sure what would help her red state health care system.

Oddly, more of the big charitable healthcare institutions in the country though are in blue states, like Mass, NY, Michigan, and California, and the Red States rely more on for-profit healthcare that more broadly discriminates against the poor.

So, I don't think conservatives as a whole have chosen to care.

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