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Hank Chinaski 03-31-2016 01:26 PM

Re: As the choppers hover outside my window
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499993)
Every time I look at her platform, for every good thing she supports, I see another corporate giveaway or backpedal on the environment. Saying she would be as bad was hyperbole, I'll cop to that. But I see as much not to like about her as I see things I like.

that just means you are thinking. other than second term elections twice I have NEVER voted for someone. 7 times voting against someone.

Adder 03-31-2016 01:45 PM

Re: As the choppers hover outside my window
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499993)
Every time I look at her platform, for every good thing she supports, I see another corporate giveaway or backpedal on the environment. Saying she would be as bad was hyperbole, I'll cop to that. But I see as much not to like about her as I see things I like.

Talk is cheap, obviously, but this stuff doesn't sound like that.

Sidd Finch 03-31-2016 01:49 PM

Re: As the choppers hover outside my window
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499993)
Every time I look at her platform, for every good thing she supports, I see another corporate giveaway or backpedal on the environment. Saying she would be as bad was hyperbole, I'll cop to that. But I see as much not to like about her as I see things I like.

So, in your view, she's at worst neutral.

Compare that to Trump or Cruz. Please pay particular attention to the 2-3 SCOTUS vacancies that the next President will likely fill, and bear in mind that the 3 oldest justices are Ginsburg, Kennedy, and Breyer. Who would you rather nominate the replacement for Ginsburg? (Not to mention the seat that is currently empty.)


"Writing in the best person for the job" is a protest vote -- you are protesting the fact that the so-called best person is not actually in the race. An election is about choosing the better option.

Sidd Finch 03-31-2016 01:52 PM

Re: As the choppers hover outside my window
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499993)
Every time I look at her platform, for every good thing she supports, I see another corporate giveaway or backpedal on the environment.

I just noticed those last few words.


Yeah, President Clinton would be every bit as bad as putting a radical climate-change denier in the White House. Especially if the Republicans continue to control Congress. I mean, there is just no chance whatsoever that Trump or Cruz would roll back environmental laws. They'd probably be too busy repealing Obamacare and criminalizing abortion.


How does your stomach taste these days?

Sidd Finch 03-31-2016 01:52 PM

Re: As the choppers hover outside my window
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 499994)
that just means you are thinking. other than second term elections twice I have NEVER voted for someone. 7 times voting against someone.

Dear God, I am agreeing with Hank.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-31-2016 02:34 PM

Re: As the choppers hover outside my window
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499993)
Every time I look at her platform, for every good thing she supports, I see another corporate giveaway or backpedal on the environment. Saying she would be as bad was hyperbole, I'll cop to that. But I see as much not to like about her as I see things I like.

Start focusing on the things you like, you'll be happier in the long run.

I just wish I could do this with all of them, I'd never have to think about Trump or Cruz again.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-31-2016 02:35 PM

Re: As the choppers hover outside my window
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 499993)
Every time I look at her platform, for every good thing she supports, I see another corporate giveaway or backpedal on the environment. Saying she would be as bad was hyperbole, I'll cop to that. But I see as much not to like about her as I see things I like.

And while we're talking about corporate give-aways, think she could give us some slack on the inversion rules if it means more investment coming in to US operations?

ThurgreedMarshall 03-31-2016 02:36 PM

Re: As the choppers hover outside my window
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 499998)
Dear God, I am agreeing with Hank.

My first opportunity to vote was for Clinton, which I did twice. I voted against Bush twice, but I didn't hold my nose voting for Gore or Kerry (who were both just strategically dumb candidates). Obviously I voted for Obama twice.

This election is weird. My distaste for every Republican candidate is so strong that it's hard for me to say I'm not voting against them. But I actually like Bernie and Hillary, warts and all.

TM

SEC_Chick 03-31-2016 02:42 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
I have always been a bit of a Hamiltonian, and I thought this piece on 1800 and the #NeverBurr movement was interesting, given the current circumstances:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/what-w...rticle/2001508

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-31-2016 03:05 PM

Re: As the choppers hover outside my window
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500001)
This election is weird. My distaste for every Republican candidate is so strong that it's hard for me to say I'm not voting against them. But I actually like Bernie and Hillary, warts and all.

TM

Completely agree.

Sidd Finch 03-31-2016 03:43 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500002)
I have always been a bit of a Hamiltonian, and I thought this piece on 1800 and the #NeverBurr movement was interesting, given the current circumstances:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/what-w...rticle/2001508

Interesting, but I cannot read about Aaron Burr without that first "Got Milk" commercial coming to mind.

SEC_Chick 03-31-2016 05:12 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
I know that I am the only one here closely following the details of the GOP primary antics, so here are today's developments.

1. Ted Cruz is trying to keep Kasich off the ballot in Montana. It appears the Kasich campaign may have screwed up paperwork in a third state. This is good for Cruz because Montana is a mix of moderates and libertarians who vote L, and no polling in the last year to indicate what is going on.

2. Trump's lack of thought before shooting off his mouth and lack of competent campaign staff is coming back to bite him. It seems the S. Carolina GOP is not pleased with his reneging on the pledge to support the GOP nominee at the CNN Town Hall. Given that S. Carolina already has some unfriendly structural issues for Trump (delegates only bound on first ballot and had to have attended the 2015 state convention), there is now a possibility that he may be subject to a challenge once the delegates are elected, releasing them on the first ballot and making them free agents (and generally unlikely to vote Trump).

http://time.com/4278295/donald-trump...ina-delegates/

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-31-2016 05:15 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500010)
I know that I am the only one here closely following the details of the GOP primary antics, so here are today's developments.

1. Ted Cruz is trying to keep Kasich off the ballot in Montana. It appears the Kasich campaign may have screwed up paperwork in a third state. This is good for Cruz because Montana is a mix of moderates and libertarians who vote L, and no polling in the last year to indicate what is going on.

2. Trump's lack of thought before shooting off his mouth and lack of competent campaign staff is coming back to bite him. It seems the S. Carolina GOP is not pleased with his reneging on the pledge to support the GOP nominee at the CNN Town Hall. Given that S. Carolina already has some unfriendly structural issues for Trump (delegates only bound on first ballot and had to have attended the 2015 state convention), there is now a possibility that he may be subject to a challenge once the delegates are elected, releasing them on the first ballot and making them free agents (and generally unlikely to vote Trump).

http://time.com/4278295/donald-trump...ina-delegates/

Has Zimbabwe offered to send election monitors to assure a fair election yet?

ThurgreedMarshall 03-31-2016 05:18 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500010)
I know that I am the only one here closely following the details of the GOP primary antics, so here are today's developments.

1. Ted Cruz is trying to keep Kasich off the ballot in Montana. It appears the Kasich campaign may have screwed up paperwork in a third state. This is good for Cruz because Montana is a mix of moderates and libertarians who vote L, and no polling in the last year to indicate what is going on.

2. Trump's lack of thought before shooting off his mouth and lack of competent campaign staff is coming back to bite him. It seems the S. Carolina GOP is not pleased with his reneging on the pledge to support the GOP nominee at the CNN Town Hall. Given that S. Carolina already has some unfriendly structural issues for Trump (delegates only bound on first ballot and had to have attended the 2015 state convention), there is now a possibility that he may be subject to a challenge once the delegates are elected, releasing them on the first ballot and making them free agents (and generally unlikely to vote Trump).

http://time.com/4278295/donald-trump...ina-delegates/

Honest question: Do you think that if Trump screws up his lead and falls to Cruz or Cruz wins a contested/broken/open (or whatever) convention, Cruz wins the general? I know you like the guy, but you don't really think this is possible, do you? I mean, besides the fact that the guy is unelectable outside of tea party Texas (or the other backwards red states), Trump supporters will be absolutely ballistic.

TM

SEC_Chick 03-31-2016 05:49 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500013)
Honest question: Do you think that if Trump screws up his lead and falls to Cruz or Cruz wins a contested/broken/open (or whatever) convention, Cruz wins the general? I know you like the guy, but you don't really think this is possible, do you? I mean, besides the fact that the guy is unelectable outside of tea party Texas (or the other backwards red states), Trump supporters will be absolutely ballistic.

TM

Trump would lose to Hillary, and badly. He's down in head-to-head polling by as much as 11 points and the most favorable to him I have found has him down 7. Cruz was tied with or leading Hillary until late February when Trump and Carson went on their Cruz is a Liar push. Now Cruz is only down to Hillary by 3-4% head-to-head. I think that time will bring him back up a bit and they may be pretty close in another month or 2.

I don't think that Hillary will receive anywhere near the turnout that Obama did. I think that While Hillary's voters would pull the lever for Bernie, I am not certain his youthful followers would be as willing to come out for her in such numbers. Interestingly enough, a recent poll had Cruz over Hillary by 14 points with voters under 35, whereas she killed in younger voters against Trump by over 20 points. I think that Hillary loses some support if the Never Trumpers have an alternative.

I concede the odds only have Rs winning the presidency at about a 25% chance now. The real tossup is the crazy stuff that can happen. Riots in Cleveland. How many ballots and how the nominee is picked. Rule changes intended to disadvantage someone. Kasich picking the president ( http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...esident-213645).

What really, really, pisses me off about Kasich is that no matter how much he says he's not trying to be a spoiler, literally the only chance he has is if Trump doesn't come to the convention with a majority. So what is Kasich doing in Wisconsin? Attacking Cruz. Seriously. He is inexplicably intentionally sabotaging his only chance at his stated goal [unless his real goal is to be Trump's VP]. It would seem more rational to put the ad $$ towards attacking Trump, no? [All speculative as Kasich has no chance on being on the ballot as he has no prayer of winning a majority of delegates from 8 states (or 6 under the pre-Romney rules), and that to be on a subsequent ballot, you have to be on the first ballot, but whatever, Kasich has demonstrated he has no concern for rules.]


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