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Hank Chinaski 03-31-2016 05:51 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500013)
Honest question: Do you think that if Trump screws up his lead and falls to Cruz or Cruz wins a contested/broken/open (or whatever) convention, Cruz wins the general? I know you like the guy, but you don't really think this is possible, do you? I mean, besides the fact that the guy is unelectable outside of tea party Texas (or the other backwards red states), Trump supporters will be absolutely ballistic.

TM

go to www.realclearpolitics.com unbiased gatherer of polls. Cruz trails Hil by 2%. Rubio is beating her by 6%. Bernie is doing better against both. Cruz + anything bad for Hil and he could win.

ThurgreedMarshall 03-31-2016 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500014)
Trump would lose to Hillary, and badly. He's down in head-to-head polling by as much as 11 points and the most favorable to him I have found has him down 7. Cruz was tied with or leading Hillary until late February when Trump and Carson went on their Cruz is a Liar push. Now Cruz is only down to Hillary by 3-4% head-to-head. I think that time will bring him back up a bit and they may be pretty close in another month or 2.

I think people are focused on Trump right now, but as soon as they turn their attention to Cruz, he gets hammered. I can't see how anyone who is as far right as Cruz on absolutely every issue wins in a national election.

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500014)
I don't think that Hillary will receive anywhere near the turnout that Obama did.

I think people on the left will turn out en masse when they realize who Cruz is (if he wins the primary).

But thanks for answering. I am genuinely fascinated by your posts.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 03-31-2016 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500015)
go to www.realclearpolitics.com unbiased gatherer of polls. Cruz trails Hil by 2%. Rubio is beating her by 6%. Bernie is doing better against both. Cruz + anything bad for Hil and he could win.

Again, I don't put a lot of stock in these polls so early on (especially this year). I think people who are turned off by Trump are willing to say they'd vote for Cruz right now. But when he's the only option and they find out that he's to the right of Hitler on every issue, Hillary wins all but the reddest of states.

TM

Adder 03-31-2016 06:00 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500015)
go to www.realclearpolitics.com unbiased gatherer of polls. Cruz trails Hil by 2%. Rubio is beating her by 6%. Bernie is doing better against both. Cruz + anything bad for Hil and he could win.

Way to early to put much stock in general election head-to-heads.

Also what TM said.

Finally: Antonin Scalia School of Law.

Not Bob 03-31-2016 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500015)
go to www.realclearpolitics.com unbiased gatherer of polls. Cruz trails Hil by 2%. Rubio is beating her by 6%. Bernie is doing better against both. Cruz + anything bad for Hil and he could win.

It's kind of early in the cycle to put too much stock into polls, especially national ones. In fact, I think that national polls are pretty meaningless - John Kerry and Mitt Romney both had leads in national polls during 2004 and 2012, IIRC.

It's all about the electoral votes. If Cruz is within the margin of air against Hilary in Florida or Ohio, that's a different kettle of fish.

Eta: Jesus Christ, this place really is an echo-chamber. Put me down in the "national poll numbers are meaningless; it's all about 270" side of the Libtard Coalition.

Sidd Finch 03-31-2016 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500015)
go to www.realclearpolitics.com unbiased gatherer of polls. Cruz trails Hil by 2%. Rubio is beating her by 6%. Bernie is doing better against both. Cruz + anything bad for Hil and he could win.

I'm not sure how much these numbers matter -- as George W Bush showed, you can lose the popular vote and still win.

Cruz is most popular in Texas, and I imagine that in Texas Trump has recently gone from being unpopular to hated. The shift from "Trump v." to "Cruz v." in a Texas poll alone could move the national needle in percentage terms, while being meaningless in electoral terms.

eta: I attribute my being last to post the same thing to my effort to find some useful state-by-state numbers

Pretty Little Flower 03-31-2016 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 500019)
Jesus Christ, this place really is an echo-chamber.

Jesus Christ, indeed! Praise the good lord, end let His music echo through this chamber. Today's Daily Dose is by the early Herbie Hancock backing band, The Headhunters. A straight up funk cut with the Pointer Sisters as backing vocals. "God Made Me Funky"! Word.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGmNgS4wj4E

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-31-2016 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500015)
go to www.realclearpolitics.com unbiased gatherer of polls. Cruz trails Hil by 2%. Rubio is beating her by 6%. Bernie is doing better against both. Cruz + anything bad for Hil and he could win.

Between now and november, anything can happen and anyone, even trump, can win.

Back when Dukakis was running for President, at this time in the cycle a couple of his top campaign people were taking short breaks to look for houses in DC.

Yeahhhhhh.......

SEC_Chick 03-31-2016 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500016)

I am genuinely fascinated by your posts.

TM

I am happy to engage here, even though I know no one is on my "side". Truth be told, I was banned (twice!) from the politics threads at various mommy boards. I figure the posters here (and moderators) are significantly more able to handle rational discussion of issues.

Hank Chinaski 03-31-2016 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500023)
I am happy to engage here, even though I know no one is on my "side". Truth be told, I was banned (twice!) from the politics threads at various mommy boards. I figure the posters here (and moderators) are significantly more able to handle rational discussion of issues.

Put up some gory terrorism pix and see how able the mod is to handle discussion.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 03-31-2016 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500024)
Put up some gory terrorism pix and see how able the mod is to handle discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AT3-K9pCvJI

Hank Chinaski 03-31-2016 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 500025)

anything a lib posts is fine. you should have used your diane keaton sock then it would be deleted.

sebastian_dangerfield 03-31-2016 08:16 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500016)
I think people on the left will turn out en masse when they realize who Cruz is (if he wins the primary).
TM

So will the moderate swing voters, like me. Cruz v Hillary? No-brainer. She's the easy centrist.

Cruz is the most dangerous candidate of the bunch. He's diabolical, ruthless, and knows the game. Trump is 10X better (God, did I just say that? Yes, I did.). Trump's hopeless and would run a shit show for four years and then be thrown out of office by the greatest margin in election history. So would Cruz, but the damage he'd do in the interim would haunt us for generations.

Thankfully, it's all academic. The only people who can beat Hillary are Kasich and Trump. And Trump is fucking it up just like you knew he would.

Fuck the polls. And fuck the media trying to make Cruz look like a contender. That's a bunch of paid-for McJournalists holding the GOP Establishment's water and looking to create a horse race to cover.

The GOP Establishment would rather lose to Hillary, who they know will govern something like a Rockefeller Republican, than give the party away to populists. A Cruz nomination, at this point, is a win for them. They get to sacrifice a staggering dickhead they'd sought to be rid of for years.

sebastian_dangerfield 03-31-2016 08:21 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500023)
I am happy to engage here, even though I know no one is on my "side". Truth be told, I was banned (twice!) from the politics threads at various mommy boards. I figure the posters here (and moderators) are significantly more able to handle rational discussion of issues.

I lean libertarian and have voted usually R, but not infrequently D. But when you support Cruz, I can't help but think you've lost your mind. He's not just an atrocious candidate. He's a full on sociopath. He's not hated because he's bucking the GOP Establishment. If you know anyone in DC, you know -- he's hated because he'd kill his children for political gain. The man is rotten, wrong, and disturbed to his core.

Pretty Little Flower 03-31-2016 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 500028)
I lean libertarian and have voted usually R, but not infrequently D. But when you support Cruz, I can't help but think you've lost your mind. He's not just an atrocious candidate. He's a full on sociopath. He's not hated because he's bucking the GOP Establishment. If you know anyone in DC, you know -- he's hated because he'd kill his children for political gain. The man is rotten, wrong, and disturbed to his core.

Sebastian, you are writing about a man she would like to "know." I don't disagree with a word of your post, but I nonetheless ask you to speak in a more moderate tone. A women's heart is involved here.


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