And telemarketers are just fucking assholes
 

And another thing, about that do not call list - sign the fuck up for that shit. Now. Sign up your home number. Sign up your cellphone. Sign up your fax line. Sign up your office numbers. Sign up your 89 y.o. gramma who doesn't know how to do it herself. Sign up every number you have, or can legitimately get permission to sign up, so that the fucking telemarketer fuckers have so few numbers left to call that they have no choice but to shut up shop and let us all get back to our lives.

Fuckers. Shut the fuckers down!!!! Aaauuurrrrrggghhhh!!!!

http://donotcall.gov/

I have anger issues today.

Beer Question
 

People go to ball games in 109 degree weather? Unthinkable.
Still makes you wonder who's drafting the laws in Az, if they can't find the words "inside Diamondback stadium, during home games." Instead of writing a law stating everyone everwhere sell beer in plastic cups during all Dback home games.

I'm hurt
 

Judgment is what a court renders. Judgement is what a punk-ass bitch associate uses when em looks a word up in the dictionary. Judgement is also what experience gives you. Or gives me, actually. You too willhave judgement one day. When you're old like I am.

And I love you too, Skinny.

Beer Question
 

Here's your answer. Yankee Stadium does the same thing, except they either (i) pour the can you buy into a plastic cup or (ii) hand you a plastic bottle of beer and keep the lid (and the lid is a different size lid than one you can find outside the stadium).

I remember in the 80s, Yankee stadium had one of those mini-wooden bat giveaways during a Boston game. Not smart. I also saw a huge Redsox banner made out of a sheet go up in flames when the Yanks were trailing to Sox. Different game.

Full bottles of beer (glass or plastic), thrown from the upper deck can kill you.

TM

Beer Question
 

Yeah, but this is beer bottles purchased outside the game. Do any parks allow BYOB?

And, what's with those plastic bottles? Filled with liquid -- generally beer not in its orginal form -- they can do just as much damage.

Beer Question
 

yeah fuckin Yankees spoiled it for everyone. I haven't been to a ball park in awhile that still served in bottles. But the deal in Phoenix is that bars in ALL of Phoenix, not just inside the stadium, are forced to serve in plastic cups. That would really spoil the taste of a good microbrew.

Beer Question
 

Are they forced to or do they simply do it as a cost saving measure during a period of patron influx???? If you're bar sees a 50% rise in patronage during the games, why not dispense with the constant washing and retrieving of beer glasses and simply pour beer into disposable cups. No washing, no retrieving, and no busted glass on the floor after the Dodgers or whomever get done mopping up and the natives are restless.

Beer Question
 

Sounds to me like a ploy by the city to call attention to the team. Hey, if you want to drink a beer right now, make sure the tv is on in support of YOUR... ARIZONA... DIAMONDBACKS (cheesy announcer voice), and since you didn't hike out to the ball field to support YOUR... ARIZONA... DIAMONDBACKS, you must drink your beer out of a plastic cup. Next time, you'll go to the ballpark, won't you?

napsterbits
 

Bizarre website of the day:

http://www.napsterbits.com

aV

Frist is a fucking biggoted asshole
 

My second thought this morning, upon hearing Frist's comments, was that we may need to officially change the venue for the Odds-Man nuptuals to Canada.

My first thought was a profound sense of shame at the idiots elected to "lead" our country. A constitutional amendment?!

Even(no, we're still not married)Odds

Frist is a fucking biggoted asshole
 

HORRORS!
When will you settle down?
When will you make it legal and stop shaming this family with your sinful ways?
Why can't you be more like your sister/brother/cousin/dog/whatever??
And When will you finally make us grandparents you ungrateful blah blah blah :cussing:

;)

Frist is a fucking biggoted asshole
 

It's amazing how people will hock you to get married when all they really want is to relive their own Barbie wedding fantasy and have an excuse to go to a fancy party and get ripped.:rolleyes:

Beer Question
 

Ah. Well, that makes no sense. And ASU is in Tempe (which ain't far from Phoenix), so the 40,000 or so drunk bottle-throwing college kids likely are not the problem either.

Lessons in drafting needed.

Thurgreed(or maybe just a better application of judgement?)Marshall

Avatar alert: Coltrane
 

Thanks. That's very thoughtful.

Unfortunately, b/c I'm not original enough to invent my own screen name, I stole the line from Danny Glover in The Royal Tennebaums, which doesn't have much to do with the actual Coltrane.

But thanks for thinking of me.

Frist is a fucking biggoted asshole
 

I have always thought that extending marriage to cover same-sex marriages was at its heart a conservative policy. Generally speaking, to embrace marriage and all its attendant encumbrances (fidelity, perhaps children, responsibility for another person etc) is to embrace a traditional, conservative way of life. You would think that because marriage and family is the alleged cornerstone of American society that conservatives would think the more people that buy into it, the better. Seems philosophically inconsistent to deny it to someone. People are staying away from marriage in droves - if someone actually wants to get married those people who are fans of marriage should be happy.

Frist says you're a criminal
 

I wonder what his views are on oral sex in apartments? Is it just if I own a home? What if I do it in a car? Or on my desk? And what if I do it with a man watching, does that change things at all?

This is all very confusing.

Hey, another way to make money for the site! Cool.


Listen, I don't know what y'all expect me to say about people like Bill and Rick and Pat and whomever else. Except perhaps that they are ignorant morons. Most of the time I ignore them, sometimes it hurts, but I try not to let it.

I cannot begin to express to you how it made me feel that it was even necessary to have the case, how I felt when I read Bowers around the time I was first coming out, or how I felt when I read Lawrence the other day. I can tell you I burst into tears when the decision was handed down.

I'm relieved and greatful that the Supreme Court has decided I can't be prosecuted in any state for having sex in private with another woman. I would be more greatful if the Bowers decision hadn't caused so much harm to so many people over the past 17 years. But there is no point in looking back now.

Frist is a fucking biggoted asshole
 

Yechh. That's why when I married the current hubby we went down to the courthouse one morning and did it and then I went back to work and called my parents a few days later and told them I was married. I did not have a large wedding with the first hubby but there was a dress and cake. Personally, I think that weddings are a colossal waste of time and money but people can do what they want -- I would rather have the cash. :D
And I believe that people should be permitted to do whatever the fuck they, as grown adults, want to do -- if you are happy together but not married why take the risk that exchanging vows will fuck it up (as all of the "experts" say it does)?

Frist is a fucking biggoted asshole
 

Our mothers and aunts have already been informed of our wedding plans. We sat them all down a couple of years ago and said: "at some point, we'll be married and you are not invited to the ceremony."

Our families are great, but it's still more than we want to do. We have a little teensy religious problem, so everyone will be slightly offended by whatever we choose.

They still get to have their big receptions in their towns and in our town, but we don't want other people's pressures, expectations, and issues on the day we choose to legally begin our lives together.

Frist says you're a criminal
 

Out of curiousity, because I don't follow these things closely, other than Lawrence and Bowers, I'm sure there are other cases that didn't get to the S. Ct. involving sodomy statutes. Have any of them involved women, or is it always the boys the cops bust?

Beer Question
 

You are forced to. Still, it makes no sense. Of course, I always hated Phoenix to begin with - now the only reason to go to Phoenix (and the outlying areas) is for Spring Training.

Frist is a fucking biggoted asshole
 

I hadn't thought of it this way, but it makes sense. Binding relationships together with expensive legal barriers to breaking up; drafting private parties to guarantee the social welfare of youth. Marriage: The Original Unfunded Mandate.

Conservatives should love gay marriage for the same reason your firm spooges all over itself when you buy a house.

Frist is a fucking biggoted asshole
 

Except for the fact that they see marriage to be the vehicle for procreation, and that binding the parents together by law helps advance the two-parent goal. Obviously, these same conservatives don't particularly favor permitting gay couples (married or not) to be parents.

Frist is a fucking biggoted asshole
 

Speaking of spooge, I saw an excellent title of a porn movie this weekend - "All That Jizz." How great is that.

Frist is a fucking biggoted asshole
 

On religious issues, I figured everyone *would* be a little offended by something, but that if they actually liked us they would have the courtesy to either shut the hell up and let us enjoy ourselves, or stay home. This worked great. But so would a ceremony without other people who won't leave their emotional baggage at home, so enjoy!:)

Frist says you're a criminal
 

I believe, but am not sure, it is always the boys. The problem with the sodomy statutes isn't just that they made the sexual act illegal, it is that they were used as an excuse to discriminate in other ways. In Georgia for example, Bowers (of Bowers v Hardwick) fired a lesbian employee because she went through a committment ceremony, and therefore, he argued, presumptively, would be breaking the law so couldn't be expected to uphold it. They are also used to remove children, deny adoption rights and what have you.

The damage these laws caused is beyond calculation. Never mind the damage to ones psyche for knowing that one of the things that is an expression of what makes you who you are can get you arrested.

Portable Air Coolers
 

Does anyone have any experience with these? I don't have AC in my apt. (God help me). Didn't think I'd need it in the PacNW, but we're having a scorcher of a summer here. I'm wondering if these work at all....

Here's an example:
http://www.compactappliances.com/sho...iProductID=832

Portable Air Coolers
 

Unless the S. ct. overruled the first law of thermodynamics (although given their sentiments against judicial activisim, I doubt it), you can't cool a room without venting the heat somewhere. These take hot dry air and make it slightly cooler, but much more humid air, by blowing the air through cold water. You're better off with a $10 fan or a real window airconditioner. Or just leave the refrigerator door open.

Portable Air Coolers
 

Can you buy a window unit instead and just put it in a window?

Portable Air Coolers
 

This is an evaporative air cooler. Don't know where you are, but often folks do not recommend them in humid climates.

Anybody ever actually try to use an evaporative air cooler in places like D.C., Seattle, or Chicago?

Frist says you're a criminal
 

I don't know about the US, but wasn't there an old old (like 1800s) case (in the UK, I think?) where they went after two lesbians but it was a fruitless endeavour because back then they decided lesbian sex couldn't exist because women weren't capable of having sex with each other? (needed a man) I'm having vague memories of studying this case at some point in school.

Frist says you're a criminal
 

I don't know of the case, but the Queen, Victoria I believe, insisted there was no reason to make sex between two women illegal, because women didn't do such things.


(Edited to say of course she didn't really say it, but for whatever reason, no lesbianism was not illegal in England. I do think it had something to do with the view that women don't do things like that, or rather, we won't even discuss the fact that women do things like that.)

Frist is a fucking biggoted asshole
 

I am always amazed, absolutely amazed, that there are people in this world that have nothing better to do with their time and energy than to spout off about the evils of homosexuality. I can't imagine having so much free time that that's the only thing I could come up with to rile against. Yet there are entire organizations dedicated to warning the world against the evils of homosexuality. In these parts, they're called stuff like "Americans to Protect the Family" and they talk about how the family is just being destroyed *flutter hankerchief dramatically* because of homosexuality. I'm not exactly clear on that logical leap, but I'm impressed that they can spend so much energy on something that they profess to hate.

It occurs to me that if this whole "go to Candada and get married" thing falls into vogue by if-it-were-legal-they-would-have-done-it-long-ago gay couples, I'm going to have an onslaught of wedding presents to buy.

Frist is a fucking biggoted asshole
 

Oh...shit. I'm so screwed now. I'm gonna have to spend a fortune. Between this and Vermont.

Ah well.

Frist is a fucking biggoted asshole
 

I've always thought of it that way. The people who are threatening the sanctity of the family and barfing all over traditional values aren't the people who want to get married, whomever they want to marry - it is the people who drivel on about "what difference does a piece of paper make" but still want their friends to subsidize their china and blenders and insist on being invited around as a social unit rather than individually and separately like other unmarried people.
They should, but I think they view it more like partners do swarthy people buying a house next door to them.

Frist is a fucking biggoted asshole
 

hhmmm... but think how the numbers of single mom households would fall if lesbians could get married...That statistic is something those family groups are always trying to lower.

Frist is a fucking biggoted asshole
 

1. General social acceptance has largely occured. The govt does not reflect the social mores of the nation - it reflects the soicla mores of the loudest group.

2. Fixing racism took forever, and its a long way from over. I don't think gay rights are emerging any slower.

3. I agree that we won't see an amendment.

4. Never underestimate the stupidity and anger of the fundamentalist sort. A man fool enough to operate on unthinking dogma is not capable of rationalization. There's no limit to his madness. He is not your fellow man, so don't feel down about his lack of common sense - consider him the enemy.

5. Frist and his kind have many healthy years before them. You'll be too old and arthritic to dance on his grave.

Don't worry. These bastards will be voted into the floorboards soon enough. I predict that Bush II will be a second term lame duck like Reagan.

nice story
 

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/book...eut/index.html

[spree - new book says nasty things about jfk jr's wife]

Portable Air Coolers
 

I have a friend in Bellevue that has one of these. Had it for a couple of years. He bought an air conditioner this year because he says it "didn't do shit." If you have a small room and are sitting right next to it, then it'll cool you down a few degrees - otherwise - minimal difference.

Standing in front of the fridge - quicker, more fun - keeps your beer cold while you're drinking it.

Portable Air Coolers
 

No, my windows are too huge. Nearly floor to ceiling. There's no AC that would fit in it, I'd imagine. Plus, I dunno if we're allowed to install them.

I'm not in a particularly humid part of the country--Portland is no DC or NY in the summer. Seattle isn't humid during the summer either.

Frist is a fucking biggoted asshole
 

Speaking of statistics, anyone know what's become of "covenant marriage" or whatever it was in louisiana? You know, the type where your vows "really" mean it.