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You didn't. You said you would cast a wasteful protest vote. Like the Nader supporters did.

And you made it clear that you are more comfortable with either of them in the White House, then you are with tarnishing yourself by voting for Clinton if she's the Dem nominee.

And if there are enough idiots like you, you can bask in your ideological purity while watching Ted Cruz nominate 1/3 of the SCOTUS. Fool.



Remember when SEC Chick said that, if Trump were the nominee, she would vote Libertarian? She acknowledged that, if enough Republicans thought like her, they would be putting Clinton in the White House. And she consciously said that this was a choice she was happier with. You should learn something from her integrity, and have the balls to admit the meaning of what you are saying. Especially since you and she might end up supporting President Cruz.

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I like Bernie. I'm less enthusiastic about Hilary. But as the election approaches I will be revisiting her positions and hoping to find things to like.

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Wow. Just, wow.

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Bye Felicia.

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In a two-party system, at the end you only get two choices. If you decline to vote for the one you think is better, you're making it more likely that the other, the worse one, will win. If that makes you feel better, that's a little odd, but I suppose it's good for you.

eta: We are all too focused on the Presidential campaign. It really matters who controls Congress.

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Perhaps it's a vote in favor of a different system with more than two parties.

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There has been a ton of ink spilled by the conservative media in the can for Trump (Breitbart, half of Fox News, Drudge, etc.) blaming NeverTrumpers for a potential loss to Hillary. My reaction is that if Trump loses in a general election to Hillary the fault will be his, not mine, because he is such an odious person that I cannot in good conscience even hold my nose and vote for him. He has not won my vote by his failure to even recognize, much less hold, any conservative positions (see his response re: abortion that made Todd Akin look like a pro at handling the issue).

I am not necessarily saying I would prefer Hillary as president, as I haven't fully thought that through (they are probably equally bad in my view), but I am saying that her being president is preferable to the stain on my conscience I would have if I were to support Trump.

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There is actually a libertarian debate tonight (and I believe another is next week). It is John Stossel's show on Fox Business.

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It was probably all the X-rated Cruz fan fiction you were posting. That shit will get you banned anywhere toot motherfuckin' sweet.

TM

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If you don't buy into the right wing talking points on Hillary, the one's the Citizens United movie pushed that Sanders, in desperation, is now taking up as he goes negative, Hillary is one of the better candidates out there - despite the points TM made, and one or two disagreements I have with her over issues of international trade (and you might agree with her on those), I'd take her over Gore, Kerry, or her own husband.

I hope you appreciate the enormous irony here that Bernie Sanders has made citizens united the first and central tenet of his campaign while also making throwing unsubstantiated shade on Hillary, in exactly the same way as the movie Citizens United financed, the second tenet. He's doing Citizen's United's work for them.

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So aren't you at all disappointed that the candidate you support, who said he'd never go negative, is now negative pretty much 24-7?

I mean, if you want purity, is Bernie really it? From my perspective, a guy I once liked, who I thought was rising above it all back in the debates and getting into good substantive stuff, is becoming an increasingly shallow asshole running a textbook negative campaign when the going gets tough.

Yes, I was insomniac last night and actually listened to a recent Bernie speech.

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Serious question. Really. As the one person here who has served as the editor of a publication founded by Bill Buckley.

Doesn't that list of conservative media scare you? Back when I was a boy, if you referenced conservative media, you were talking about Buckley's National Review, which had meaty, substantive stuff. Or some of the think tanks like the Heritage Foundation that released thick analytical pieces. Today National Review Online competes with drudge to provide shallow ideological rants ... And one of my friends who was at the Heritage fled after the take-over there, fearing what it was becoming.

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Look, I hear you. But this attitude is just ridiculous for a number of reasons.

1. National politics, like many hit sitcoms, is about bringing in the biggest audience. How the fuck else would we end up with Two and a Half Men and Big Bang Theory being massive hits? The assholes we get are trying to appeal to as many people in their party as they can without offending potential swing and independent voters on the issues that mean the most to them. That's just the way it is. That's how our system of government is set up. If you keep talking this shit about expecting to vote for a candidate that appeals to you and your little checklist, you might as well jump off a bridge right now.

2. We get the assholes we deserve. This isn't about party heads nominating this person vs. that person. This is about who we select. If we collectively chose to vote or even inform ourselves in the slightest, we'd get better candidates. We don't. Stop blaming the party. We are the problem They deliver the person we deserve.

3. The fact that you're willing to sit and pout in the corner because you're pissy about not having a brilliant candidate to vote for will not change the fact that if more people adopted this dumbass approach to the election, we will have a President Trump or Cruz. Then you can sit in the corner on fucking fire and bitch and moan about the actual destruction of the country. Apparently, the only question here is: What do you want to spend the next 4 years complaining about? Hillary not being perfect for you or the fact that your skin is burnt to a crisp and you're sitting in a hole in the ground trying to avoid the religion police.

Get over it, Wonk.

TM

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I haven't seen any of that. I think it's a load of bullshit. I like his stance on banks and I like a lot of his positions on tax. If I were to vote for him that would be why.

I need to look at what Adder posted about where Hilary is leaning on banks and assess whether or not I trust her to follow through. That may change my mind on Hilary. But I am not voting for anybody because of what they say about someone else, nor am I casting a vote because it's a vote against another candidate.

Stevenson said that in a democracy people pretty much get the government they deserve. I deserve better than a candidate whose primary virtue is that she's less odious than the other guy. That's how I'm going to vote. Perhaps if we all started throwing our weight behind who we felt should do the job instead of what the machine offers us, we might eventually get a choice of candidates capable of governing and willing to do so. From now on, that's the way I'm voting. Everybody else is free to vote for whomever they choose. I plan on using my vote to send a message that I won't accept the people being offered up at the moment.