Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500060)

Get over it, Wonk.

TM

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 500058)

So aren't you at all disappointed that the candidate you support, who said he'd never go negative, is now negative pretty much 24-7?

I mean, if you want purity, is Bernie really it? From my perspective, a guy I once liked, who I thought was rising above it all back in the debates and getting into good substantive stuff, is becoming an increasingly shallow asshole running a textbook negative campaign when the going gets tough.

Yes, I was insomniac last night and actually listened to a recent Bernie speech.

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500038)

Things like bringing back Glass-Steagall

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500038)

finding a way to make single-payer healthcare a winnable proposition

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500038)

investing in infrastructure through a public works program

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500038)

integrating the corporate and individual tax as part of massive tax reform.

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500061)

I haven't seen any of that. I think it's a load of bullshit. I like his stance on banks and I like a lot of his positions on tax. If I were to vote for him that would be why.

I need to look at what Adder posted about where Hilary is leaning on banks and assess whether or not I trust her to follow through. That may change my mind on Hilary. But I am not voting for anybody because of what they say about someone else, nor am I casting a vote because it's a vote against another candidate.

Stevenson said that in a democracy people pretty much get the government they deserve. I deserve better than a candidate whose primary virtue is that she's less odious than the other guy. That's how I'm going to vote. Perhaps if we all started throwing our weight behind who we felt should do the job instead of what the machine offers us, we might eventually get a choice of candidates capable of governing and willing to do so. From now on, that's the way I'm voting. Everybody else is free to vote for whomever they choose. I plan on using my vote to send a message that I won't accept the people being offered up at the moment.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500060)

Look, I hear you. But this attitude is just ridiculous for a number of reasons.

1. National politics, like many hit sitcoms, is about bringing in the biggest audience. How the fuck else would we end up with Two and a Half Men and Big Bang Theory being massive hits? The assholes we get are trying to appeal to as many people in their party as they can without offending potential swing and independent voters on the issues that mean the most to them. That's just the way it is. That's how our system of government is set up. If you keep talking this shit about expecting to vote for a candidate that appeals to you and your little checklist, you might as well jump off a bridge right now.

2. We get the assholes we deserve. This isn't about party heads nominating this person vs. that person. This is about who we select. If we collectively chose to vote or even inform ourselves in the slightest, we'd get better candidates. We don't. Stop blaming the party. We are the problem They deliver the person we deserve.

3. The fact that you're willing to sit and pout in the corner because you're pissy about not having a brilliant candidate to vote for will not change the fact that if more people adopted this dumbass approach to the election, we will have a President Trump or Cruz. Then you can sit in the corner on fucking fire and bitch and moan about the actual destruction of the country. Apparently, the only question here is: What do you want to spend the next 4 years complaining about? Hillary not being perfect for you or the fact that your skin is burnt to a crisp and you're sitting in a hole in the ground trying to avoid the religion police.

Get over it, Wonk.

TM

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500037)

I'm 55 years old and I'm sick of voting for the lesser of two evils. I will not support a candidate I don't think is fit for the job. The biggest problem with our democracy is the degree to which we tolerate mediocrity. I'm done. If the Dems or the Republicans want my vote for a candidate, they can nominate someone worth voting for or I will pick my own candidate.

The problem isn't people choosing what you call protest votes. The problem is that the parties keep giving us shit choices.

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500066)

Read your second point. I'm not pouting. I'm choosing to no longer be part of the problem. Take comfort in the fact that I am likely to to be very lonely in that corner and thus, irrelevant. We have to start somewhere.

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500046)

I like Bernie. I'm less enthusiastic about Hilary. But as the election approaches I will be revisiting her positions and hoping to find things to like.

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500038)

Things like bringing back Glass-Steagall

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500056)

It was probably all the X-rated Cruz fan fiction you were posting. That shit will get you banned anywhere toot motherfuckin' sweet.

TM

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500071)

Nothing so racy as that or terrorism pictures.

I was deemed a bully because a rather delicate poster referred to a CBO release in support of her proposition regarding Obamacare. While the headline may have seemed favorable to her, the text of the release was exactly contrary to the proposition for which it was cited. She was terribly offended when I gently pointed out that given the circumstances, one might conclude (1) she only read the headline before citing, (2) she did read the entire release, but did not understand it, or (3) she intended to misrepresent its contents.

People here can generally handle being called out on their BS.

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500054)

There is actually a libertarian debate tonight (and I believe another is next week). It is John Stossel's show on Fox Business.

Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 500072)

Nice! It's difficult to "gently" point out to someone that, based on the current evidence available, she is either 1) lazy, 2) stupid, or 3) a liar. But I'm sure you were very sweet about it.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 500050)

In a two-party system, at the end you only get two choices. If you decline to vote for the one you think is better, you're making it more likely that the other, the worse one, will win. If that makes you feel better, that's a little odd, but I suppose it's good for you.

eta: We are all too focused on the Presidential campaign. It really matters who controls Congress.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500060)

Look, I hear you. But this attitude is just ridiculous for a number of reasons.

1. National politics, like many hit sitcoms, is about bringing in the biggest audience. How the fuck else would we end up with Two and a Half Men and Big Bang Theory being massive hits? The assholes we get are trying to appeal to as many people in their party as they can without offending potential swing and independent voters on the issues that mean the most to them. That's just the way it is. That's how our system of government is set up. If you keep talking this shit about expecting to vote for a candidate that appeals to you and your little checklist, you might as well jump off a bridge right now.

2. We get the assholes we deserve. This isn't about party heads nominating this person vs. that person. This is about who we select. If we collectively chose to vote or even inform ourselves in the slightest, we'd get better candidates. We don't. Stop blaming the party. We are the problem They deliver the person we deserve.

3. The fact that you're willing to sit and pout in the corner because you're pissy about not having a brilliant candidate to vote for will not change the fact that if more people adopted this dumbass approach to the election, we will have a President Trump or Cruz. Then you can sit in the corner on fucking fire and bitch and moan about the actual destruction of the country. Apparently, the only question here is: What do you want to spend the next 4 years complaining about? Hillary not being perfect for you or the fact that your skin is burnt to a crisp and you're sitting in a hole in the ground trying to avoid the religion police.

Get over it, Wonk.

TM