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 I just never have had anyone (including any of the so called famous philosophers) explain to me why someone should follow the golden rule or other commonly accepted moral rules absent a higher power (or absent a universal moral code). What rational should you give someone to convince them to help starving people in bangaladesh? It is in your self interest? Any attempt at proving that is a tortured rationalization. The only other thing to do is tell them "it is the right thing to do". But absent a universal code of ethics the term "right thing to do" is a meaningless term. | 
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 Possible explanation for starving kids in Bangladesh: See "help some of the weak young survive," above. Obviously, this would have evolved to meet a local need, but the impulse remains and applies, to varying degrees, to anything with big eyes that looks hungry. I am starting to think you are some kind of troll sock. You can't be this dense. Or, you really are partially club, and today is club's turn. | 
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 How is this politics? | 
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 Its evolutionary. Being a rational, sensible person, I understand that its better for all of us to try to get along. It benefits my survival to be tolerant of others. Religion, on the other hand, as its practiced by fundamentalists, eschews tolerance in favor of obedience. In that regard, its a great guidepost... If you don't have enough goddamned innate common sense to know on your own that you should be decent to your fellow man. Everything St. Francis or Jesus taught could be deduced from a common sense analysis of the world around you. None of this "wisdom" you credit to a higher power came from a higher power. Its cobbled together fables which people used over centuries to provide a laundry list of dos and don'ts for people who wouldn't know how to act on their own. Religion is offensive because it assumes man is too stupid to behave on his own accord. Oh, its fucking silliness. I'd like to believe there was a religion that had the answer. Its hardly comforting to deal with the fact that you probably aren't going anywhere when you die, but its just impossible for me to lie to myslef and buy into your kind's horseshit fantasies. If there's a God, I'll know when I'm dead, and [s]he'll probably treat me well based on my deeds. But I can't imagine God could give a rat's ass about whether I believe in any particular religion. You know its a farce. You just don't want to admit it because that makes morality seem all that more overwhelming. Thats the handle on all the super-religious - they think their zeal can overcome their doubts. But it never really works, does it? | 
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 I think Sebby, who is close to animal status, proves my point. "doing awful things to people just doesn't make me feel good" | 
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