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Tyrone Slothrop 01-11-2009 09:48 AM

Re: Know new taxes!
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 377001)
I don't even know what you are talking about, but I like that ggg seemed to disagree with whatever point you were trying to make.

Ladies and Gentlemen: The essence of the conservative mind!

Penske_Account 01-11-2009 02:17 PM

Re: Know new taxes!
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 377000)
You'd rather have spent $10bb for $882mm in warrants than spend half as much for a position worth four times more?

Good to know.

Its all meaningless if GS doesn't get above 115 in the next 4 y 9mos, right? Paulsen bought a longer time hedge. That said I still think Paulsen sucks and should probably be drawn and quartered in lafayette park sometime early in the reprisals period of the Obama presidency. also, his assets should be taken by the state.

One question I had is GGGs reference to GS under 30, huh? they look higher than that.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 01-11-2009 03:28 PM

Re: Know new taxes!
 
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Originally Posted by Penske_Account (Post 377003)
Its all meaningless if GS doesn't get above 115 in the next 4 y 9mos, right? Paulsen bought a longer time hedge. That said I still think Paulsen sucks and should probably be drawn and quartered in lafayette park sometime early in the reprisals period of the Obama presidency. also, his assets should be taken by the state.

One question I had is GGGs reference to GS under 30, huh? they look higher than that.

You're right. I'm not sure what I looked at that was under 30. They're in the low 80s. I really, really hate to say it, but I think Penske has summarized my thinking. Paulsen bought a longer time hedge. Might be the right thing to do. But draw and quarter him anyways.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 01-11-2009 03:28 PM

Re: Know new taxes!
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 377001)
I don't even know what you are talking about, but I like that ggg seemed to disagree with whatever point you were trying to make.

It was a tangental point I was making, but Ty's approach to zoning stinks.

Diane_Keaton 01-11-2009 03:33 PM

Re: interesting
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 376989)
I posted it anyway because I thought it was interesting.

What would be interesting is if you would simply state what you think the problem is and the solution, and not pussyfoot around or hide behind blog entries. And if you really must question someone's "goals", you might want to start with identifying and considering the wisdom of Hamas's goal behind lobbing rockets into Israel.

Tyrone Slothrop 01-11-2009 03:49 PM

Re: interesting
 
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Originally Posted by Diane_Keaton (Post 377006)
What would be interesting is if you would simply state what you think the problem is and the solution, and not pussyfoot around or hide behind blog entries. And if you really must question someone's "goals", you might want to start with identifying and considering the wisdom of Hamas's goal behind lobbing rockets into Israel.

What do I think is "the" problem? That's a nice trap. "The" problem is that Jews and Palestinians both think they have the better claim to the same piece of land and neither is prepared to live with the other. If there is a solution to this problem, it lies in two states that can trust and respect each other to the degree necessary to co-exist. We are a long way from there.

With respect to Gaza, I've already said that I think Hamas was losing support in its efforts to run Gaza, not least because of the Israeli blockade. I think it lobbed rockets into Israel to pick a fight, and it got one. For Israel, the rockets are the symptom of the problem, not the problem itself, and have no good military solution. If Gaza is ruled by a hostile government, more rockets will be lobbed, and invading Gaza makes it more hostile. People there see an Israeli attack on Gaza, not an Israeli attack on Hamas. So does most of the rest of the world. I don't think this attack on Gaza is a good strategy for Israel, but rather than the pressures of the upcoming election, inter alia, have prompted its leaders to make a bad choice.

[eta: The blog post that I thought was interesting and which you seem to think I'm hiding behind said that Hamas faces a strategic defeat because Iran has other priorities. That doesn't seem right to me, but I posted it because I did think it was interesting and because -- apparently unlike you -- I'm not possessed by the certainty that I am right about all of this. OTOH, maybe Hamas will suffer a strategic defeat, and will be replaced by even more extreme leaders -- Al Qaeda, e.g. -- a situation that probably would not benefit Israel.]

Now, this is your cue to suggest I am blaming Israel for the unconscionable behavior of Hamas, or morally equating Hamas terrorists and Israeli children, or not properly appreciating the existential threats to Israel, or some such thing. Go nuts.

The U.S. President who has done the most to improve Israel's strategic position is Jimmy Carter. He is also the one lately most often criticized as being insufficiently supportive of Israel. Go figure.

Hank Chinaski 01-11-2009 04:17 PM

Re: interesting
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 377007)
What do I think is "the" problem? That's a nice trap. "The" problem is that Jews and Palestinians both think they have the better claim to the same piece of land and neither is prepared to live with the other. If there is a solution to this problem, it lies in two states that can trust and respect each other to the degree necessary to co-exist. We are a long way from there.

With respect to Gaza, I've already said that I think Hamas was losing support in its efforts to run Gaza, not least because of the Israeli blockade. I think it lobbed rockets into Israel to pick a fight, and it got one. For Israel, the rockets are the symptom of the problem, not the problem itself, and have no good military solution. If Gaza is ruled by a hostile government, more rockets will be lobbed, and invading Gaza makes it more hostile. People there see an Israeli attack on Gaza, not an Israeli attack on Hamas. So does most of the rest of the world. I don't think this attack on Gaza is a good strategy for Israel, but rather than the pressures of the upcoming election, inter alia, have prompted its leaders to make a bad choice.

[eta: The blog post that I thought was interesting and which you seem to think I'm hiding behind said that Hamas faces a strategic defeat because Iran has other priorities. That doesn't seem right to me, but I posted it because I did think it was interesting and because -- apparently unlike you -- I'm not possessed by the certainty that I am right about all of this. OTOH, maybe Hamas will suffer a strategic defeat, and will be replaced by even more extreme leaders -- Al Qaeda, e.g. -- a situation that probably would not benefit Israel.]

Now, this is your cue to suggest I am blaming Israel for the unconscionable behavior of Hamas, or morally equating Hamas terrorists and Israeli children, or not properly appreciating the existential threats to Israel, or some such thing. Go nuts.

The U.S. President who has done the most to improve Israel's strategic position is Jimmy Carter. He is also the one lately most often criticized as being insufficiently supportive of Israel. Go figure.

no offense, but when people don't understand me i don't blame them. instead I consider whether I can make my prose be more evocative of the point I'm trying to express. You OTOH lash out so immediately that I don't see how you criticize israel for being too quick to attack.

think about it.

Adder 01-11-2009 04:32 PM

Re: Know new taxes!
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 377004)
You're right. I'm not sure what I looked at that was under 30. They're in the low 80s. I really, really hate to say it, but I think Penske has summarized my thinking. Paulsen bought a longer time hedge. Might be the right thing to do. But draw and quarter him anyways.

The difference in the length of the warrants should be reflected in the black-scholes valuation. Bloomberg unfortunately doesn't tell us when it did this comparison, or what market price it used for GS stock.

That said, Buffet is investing and Paulson is bailing out, and this chart doesn't show us much that we didn't already know by the fact that Buffet's warrants were in the money when issued (apparently). Presumably he got something he believed was worth $5 billion for his $5 billion.

Adder 01-11-2009 04:44 PM

Re: interesting
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 377007)
OTOH, maybe Hamas will suffer a strategic defeat, and will be replaced by even more extreme leaders -- Al Qaeda, e.g. -- a situation that probably would not benefit Israel.]

I'm not sure it would make a big difference for Israel. Although I guess there is some chance that could lead to the US being directly involved.

Hank Chinaski 01-11-2009 05:06 PM

Re: interesting
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 377010)
I'm not sure it would make a big difference for Israel. Although I guess there is some chance that could lead to the US being directly involved.

exactly. right now Hamas has stated the goal to kill every Jew in Israel and they celebrate people who blow themselves up. Can someone explain how AQ will be more extreme?

Diane_Keaton 01-11-2009 05:48 PM

Re: interesting
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 377007)
I posted it because I did think it was interesting and because -- apparently unlike you -- I'm not possessed by the certainty that I am right about all of this.

What posts of mine make you think I'm certain about "all of this" (and what, BTW, is "all of this"?)

Penske_Account 01-11-2009 06:04 PM

Re: Know new taxes!
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 377004)
You're right. I'm not sure what I looked at that was under 30. They're in the low 80s. I really, really hate to say it, but I think Penske has summarized my thinking. Paulsen bought a longer time hedge. Might be the right thing to do. But draw and quarter him anyways.

And they said the post-partisan thing wouldn't amount to anything.....

Atticus Grinch 01-11-2009 07:21 PM

Re: interesting
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 377008)
no offense, but when people don't understand me i don't blame them. instead I consider whether I can make my prose be more evocative of the point I'm trying to express.

I don't understand half the shit you post, mostly because when it's ridiculous on its face I can't tell if it's a hedge so you can later claim you were trying to be funny -- the class clown who cried wolf. Unlike Ty, you're so impressed with your own authorial voice that the only time you post links to writers who are better capable of persuasion to your POV it's a link to DU or LGF, two sites you frequently accuse others of reading too much. We should take you seriously why?

Tyrone Slothrop 01-11-2009 07:24 PM

Re: interesting
 
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Originally Posted by Diane_Keaton (Post 377012)
What posts of mine make you think I'm certain about "all of this" (and what, BTW, is "all of this"?)

Your tone in response to earlier posts on this subject. But, hey, maybe I'm wrong about that, too.

Tyrone Slothrop 01-11-2009 07:26 PM

Re: interesting
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 377015)
I don't understand half the shit you post, mostly because when it's ridiculous on its face I can't tell if it's a hedge so you can later claim you were trying to be funny -- the class clown who cried wolf. Unlike Ty, you're so impressed with your own authorial voice that the only time you post links to writers who are better capable of persuasion to your POV it's a link to DU or LGF, two sites you frequently accuse others of reading too much. We should take you seriously why?

People didn't take Charles Bukowski seriously and boy do they feel dumb now.


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