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Hank Chinaski 04-15-2010 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 421653)
I think the racism is overstated.

i think they're generally more racist than the average white person, and i think the average white person (and all people) are pretty racist

Hank Chinaski 04-15-2010 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 421643)
Hmmm. Have you ever told your doctor he doesn't create wealth and the medical device manufacturers are more important? Say that to him before you go in for the next colonoscopy.

doctors are paid large amounts of money from insurance companies, then pay malpractice insurance companies a big chunk of that. per million of revenue they employee very few people. they're worse than us as to doing good for the economy- in fact, since they pay malpractice insurance, they feed the beast that is us.

sebastian_dangerfield 04-15-2010 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 421624)
I think you'd probably like this editorial, especially the bits toward the end.

How noble, considering she's only worth $1 billion.

I wonder what she'd say with $20 mil net worth. Probably, "Is this the same villa Jagger rented in Morocco in the 60s?" as she stroked the down payment and had her tax accountant and lawyers on Guernsey finish up the transfer of all necessary accounts.

Hank Chinaski 04-15-2010 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 421655)
Not being a central banker, I don't know precisely.

will you start a list of shit Ty claims to be an expert in? central banking and monetary policy, all health care issues and the cost of pollution controls should be a good start, but I want a living document.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-15-2010 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 421658)
i think they're generally more racist than the average white person, and i think the average white person (and all people) are pretty racist

I think a lot of journalists are looking pretty hard for anything that smacks of racism on their part, and there's just not that much of it. Which is to say nothing of what they really think, or what the undertones are, etc., but I think they deserve to be heard for what they want to say, and it mostly has nothing to do with race.

sebastian_dangerfield 04-15-2010 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 421603)
I don't know. I am doing a ton of work right now relating to stuff that is incentivized by HCR and by the Health Care IT components of the Stimulus Bill. It's making work around here.

Tell that to all the working class people fired from small companies restructuring to avoid the fines. It's going to happen en masse. And company's fear of the unknown accruing from the progressive installment of the plan is going to slow an already agonizing recovery in employment in that category of worker.

But those newly unemployed lower middle class workers will all have health insurance now! Yay!

Hank Chinaski 04-15-2010 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 421660)
How noble, considering she's only worth $1 billion.

I wonder what she'd say with $20 mil net worth. Probably, "Is this the same villa Jagger rented in Morocco in the 60s?" as she stroked the down payment and had her tax accountant and lawyers on Guernsey finish up the transfer of all necessary accounts.

of almost all people in the world she wants to make sure everyone has 30 bob of money to spend on entertainment the next few years (I almost said income (Hi Ty!)).

Tyrone Slothrop 04-15-2010 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 421661)
will you start a list of shit Ty claims to be an expert in? central banking and monetary policy, all health care issues and the cost of pollution controls should be a good start, but I want a living document.

I'm not claiming to be an expert in central banking. The trade-off between inflation and unemployment and the central bank's role is something you hear about in the first semester of college macroeconomics. At least, I did, that was all I lasted. This is why there is general agreement that central banks must be politically independent, because otherwise there would be substantial political pressure to combat unemployment and invite inflation. Plus, the people who would benefit from inflation aren't represented much by Washington elites.

eta: Here is Bernanke describing the trade-off not too long ago:

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The public’s understanding of the Federal Reserve’s commitment to price stability helps to anchor inflation expectations and enhances the effectiveness of monetary policy, thereby contributing to stability in both prices and economic activity. Indeed, the longer-run inflation expectations of households and businesses have remained very stable over recent years. The Federal Reserve has not followed the suggestion of some that it pursue a monetary policy strategy aimed at pushing up longer-run inflation expectations. In theory, such an approach could reduce real interest rates and so stimulate spending and output. However, that theoretical argument ignores the risk that such a policy could cause the public to lose confidence in the central bank’s willingness to resist further upward shifts in inflation, and so undermine the effectiveness of monetary policy going forward. The anchoring of inflation expectations is a hard-won success that has been achieved over the course of three decades, and this stability cannot be taken for granted. Therefore, the Federal Reserve’s policy actions as well as its communications have been aimed at keeping inflation expectations firmly anchored.
via Cato's Will Wilkinson

Adder 04-15-2010 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 421661)
will you start a list of shit Ty claims to be an expert in? central banking and monetary policy, all health care issues and the cost of pollution controls should be a good start, but I want a living document.

No. Also here, unless he is going to offer a specific number, he is just repeating textbook (idealogicLly neutral) macro.

Hank Chinaski 04-15-2010 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 421662)
I think a lot of journalists are looking pretty hard for anything that smacks of racism on their part, and there's just not that much of it. Which is to say nothing of what they really think, or what the undertones are, etc., but I think they deserve to be heard for what they want to say, and it mostly has nothing to do with race.

the question is, does the degree of insanity come from obama's race, or moreso the insanity you guys taught them during the bush years.

Hank Chinaski 04-15-2010 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 421666)
No. Also here, unless he is going to offer a specific number, he is just repeating textbook (idealogicLly neutral) macro.

eliott richardson stood up to nixon, but I think history would say he was nixon's best appointee. become your destiny.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-15-2010 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 421667)
the question is, does the degree of insanity come from obama's race, or moreso the insanity you guys taught them during the bush years.

I don't think they're insane. Lots of other things, but not insane. And Bush's critics look better all the time.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-15-2010 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 421663)
Tell that to all the working class people fired from small companies restructuring to avoid the fines. It's going to happen en masse. And company's fear of the unknown accruing from the progressive installment of the plan is going to slow an already agonizing recovery in employment in that category of worker.

But those newly unemployed lower middle class workers will all have health insurance now! Yay!

Hasn't the sky fallen before?

Replaced_Texan 04-15-2010 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 421659)
doctors are paid large amounts of money from insurance companies, then pay malpractice insurance companies a big chunk of that. per million of revenue they employee very few people. they're worse than us as to doing good for the economy- in fact, since they pay malpractice insurance, they feed the beast that is us.

Your doctors are just as capable as mine in persuading the legislature and voters of your state to pass tort reform.

Adder 04-15-2010 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 421658)
i think they're generally more racist than the average white person, and i think the average white person (and all people) are pretty racist

Clearly I got you all wrong.


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