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Flinty_McFlint 08-31-2004 05:04 PM

Fiesta!
 
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Originally posted by viet_mom
I kept it very simple. I had a circus tent, balloon making clown, magician, live farm animals AND pony rides, pizza, sub sandwiches, a pinata, complicated food for the adults, matching mother daughter outfits from April Cornell with pinafores (Joan Crawford!), personalized party favors for each child, a big sugary birthday cake, and peanut butter and jelly sandwiches shaped in the form of butterflies, stars and other cookie-cutter shapes which I made every night and froze in my freezer for a month.

We had a BLAST. To do it all over again, I'd skip the pb sandwich artwork (not worth it), sub sandwiches (not eaten), complicated adult food (they ate pizza), live farm animals (overshadowed by ponies and clown). I'd have a party with pizza or other one themed food and a simple cake, and just kick back and watch a really fun clown. Our clown makes balloons AND ALSO does a mean magic show which required child-audience participation and I have to say the magic show was the hit of the party even for the real young ones who were enthralled. (Actually, the clown is also a personal trainer and is really hot under all that white makeup). Don't spend too much time thinking about party favors - just get some goodie bags, kids don't care. The pinata was also a big hit - they got really medieval on that thing.

Okay - got all that? Sheet cake, pinata, clown who can perform some other function (heh heh) besides clowning, some food. Oh and stick a boom box outside with a CD of some pirated/downloaded classics like Elvis, and 50's stuff like Runaround Sue/Tequila, etc. The kids enjoyed that too.
Jeez. I hope my wife doesn't see this post. The Vietbabe is one lucky kid and/or you did something really really bad (;) )

Atticus Grinch 08-31-2004 06:42 PM

Fiesta!
 
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Originally posted by TexLex
Anyone have any tips for a 1yo's Bday party - other than keep it short and between naptimes? I am gathering ideas for Nov.
With all due respect to VietMom, a baby's first birthday should be a celebration in honor of the adults who kept the kid alive despite its best efforts to kill itself for the previous 365 days. A victory party, if you will.

Keep it small; keep it enjoyable for the adults who played a role in the kid's life so far. The kid will not remember it. Give the kid a cupcake with a candle, and it will think it was a banner day.

Shut up, Hank. This, I know.

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone 08-31-2004 06:52 PM

Fiesta!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
With all due respect to VietMom, a baby's first birthday should be a celebration in honor of the adults who kept the kid alive despite its best efforts to kill itself for the previous 365 days. A victory party, if you will.

Keep it small; keep it enjoyable for the adults who played a role in the kid's life so far. The kid will not remember it. Give the kid a cupcake with a candle, and it will think it was a banner day.

Shut up, Hank. This, I know.
2. And, of course, ample booze. Clowns and ponies for a first birthday? That's fucked up.

TexLex 08-31-2004 08:38 PM

Fiesta!
 
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Originally posted by viet_mom
Birthday EXTRAVAGANZA!!!!
Whoa... He can't even walk yet, so I'm thinking pony rides might be a trifle much. I should add that there may be a few babies there, but only a kid or two - hardly enough to merit ponies, cool though they may be. Probably against the deed restrictions too. And Pennywise and his ilk can stay the hell away - eww. I plan on making a cool cake - I made our wedding cake, so how hard can a baby cake be? - and invites with his photo or something on them. I can't decide what sort of grown-up food to have...something easy. Chili? Burgers? Gumbo? Lasagne? Turkey? Oh, wait, that's the week after. And beer - that goes without saying...it is football season, besides. VM - I like the idea of 50's music - nice and kid friendly - and maybe a pinata, for the adults...pinata + beer, hmmmm......

Flinty - you've got one of these coming up too...get planning!

-TL

viet_mom 08-31-2004 09:51 PM

Fiesta!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by TexLex
Whoa... He can't even walk yet, so I'm thinking pony rides might be a trifle much. I should add that there may be a few babies there, but only a kid or two - hardly enough to merit ponies, cool though they may be. Probably against the deed restrictions too. And Pennywise and his ilk can stay the hell away - eww. I plan on making a cool cake - I made our wedding cake, so how hard can a baby cake be? - and invites with his photo or something on them. I can't decide what sort of grown-up food to have...something easy. Chili? Burgers? Gumbo? Lasagne? Turkey? Oh, wait, that's the week after. And beer - that goes without saying...it is football season, besides. VM - I like the idea of 50's music - nice and kid friendly - and maybe a pinata, for the adults...pinata + beer, hmmmm......

Flinty - you've got one of these coming up too...get planning!

-TL
Yeah, if he can't walk yet, pony rides would be a bit much. I'd been taking the Babe to an amusement park a lot and she was real into the crazy circus atmosphere so I went for it. Plus you hardly have any kids there. We had a ton, many of them of the age where magic and ponies are cool. For us, the party was the first time we had people over since adopting (we had come home to a ton of snow and a cold long winter) so it was more of a combo party celebrating everything. Including as Atticus says, the miracle that the kid survived. A week before the party I had the famous over-105.5 fever/emergency room episode so I felt we had survived a lot in the prior year. I'm normally a loner so the big party was a hoot for me. Maybe it was the "large wedding" substitute (pennywise too!) Plus I was in the blissful stage where the Babe was spoiling me with 3 hour naps and I was giddy, what can I say. One benefit to all the hoopla was the adults got to kick back and have fun while their kids went nutty with all the stuff. Not once did a kiddie disturb an adult with a whine that day.

I hear you on the "what to feed the adults" thing. I like the Chili idea. Hell - you're in Texas!! For non-Chili people, you could have some alternative but I don't know if lasagne goes too well with Chili. You could go with a big chicken dish and the corn bread (which I assume you'll have with the Chili) could be used with that too. A real big hearty salad is nice, with tons of stuff like different cheeses, nuts such as walnuts, tomatoes, onions, the works. Or if you're doing Chili, you could do some other stew alongside it.

Have the best time ever!!

TexLex 08-31-2004 10:37 PM

I found TALKING PINATAS but it doesn't tell me what they say. I can imagine what I would say if I were a pinata and it's not real family friendly.

ETA - I make ONE main dish and the guests like it or get take-out on the way home. I got limits here. Salad, bread-like item, some form of veggie and a main dish. I'm thinking Chili now - salad, homemade cornbread, um I can't think of a veg that goes with chili except corn and it's out of season....doesn't matter they can leave room for the spectaculous cake that I just thought of.

viet_mom 09-01-2004 09:02 AM

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Originally posted by TexLex
I found TALKING PINATAS but it doesn't tell me what they say. I can imagine what I would say if I were a pinata and it's not real family friendly.
That web site with the pinatas is hilarious. You got talking sports pinata, a talking traditional Mexican pinata, and then there is a category called "Clearance Pinatas" so I clicked it to find out why.

http://www.talkingpinatas.com/KD/SM/lighthousesm.gif http://www.talkingpinatas.com/AN/SM/redcatsm.gif

I am really astounded that kids don't flip for a lighthouse pinata. And a red cat? Come on!!

Flinty_McFlint 09-01-2004 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by TexLex
I found TALKING PINATAS but it doesn't tell me what they say. I can imagine what I would say if I were a pinata and it's not real family friendly.

ETA - I make ONE main dish and the guests like it or get take-out on the way home. I got limits here. Salad, bread-like item, some form of veggie and a main dish. I'm thinking Chili now - salad, homemade cornbread, um I can't think of a veg that goes with chili except corn and it's out of season....doesn't matter they can leave room for the spectaculous cake that I just thought of.
I do have to think about the Flintette's 1 yr. b-day party, and I have some questions for you all. First, who is supposed to be invited? Family yeah, friends with kids, yeah. But I don't think I should invite any friends w/out kids--won't they be bored? I would be. Or is the birthday party aspect of it just a ruse. I don't want my childless friends to feel compelled to come and give a gift to a kid who won't even acknowledge them, except to perhaps smile and/or drool on them. Ms. Manners, please help.

Gattigap 09-01-2004 01:00 PM

Fiesta!
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
With all due respect to VietMom, a baby's first birthday should be a celebration in honor of the adults who kept the kid alive despite its best efforts to kill itself for the previous 365 days. A victory party, if you will.

Keep it small; keep it enjoyable for the adults who played a role in the kid's life so far. The kid will not remember it. Give the kid a cupcake with a candle, and it will think it was a banner day.

Shut up, Hank. This, I know.
2. The Gaplets' firsts were mostly victory celebrations for the parents and grandparents, and the pictures of cake-smeared infants (and the grandfather in a party hat) were all the mementos we really needed.

Atticus Grinch 09-01-2004 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
But I don't think I should invite any friends w/out kids--won't they be bored?
Invite the ones who didn't recoil in horror when you offered to let them hold the newborn. Don't invite the ones who did. Both categories of friend will thank you.

Flinty_McFlint 09-01-2004 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
Invite the ones who didn't recoil in horror when you offered to let them hold the newborn. Don't invite the ones who did. Both categories of friend will thank you.
Check. Do not invite the Grinches.

You're welcome.

Atticus Grinch 09-01-2004 01:35 PM

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Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
Check. Do not invite the Grinches.
One, I apologized immediately. Two, I'd simply never seen anything quite that hairy. It was more surprise than horror.

Flinty_McFlint 09-01-2004 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
One, I apologized immediately. Two, I'd simply never seen anything quite that hairy. It was more surprise than horror.
All is forgiven. You and the Grinches will be invited. Be sure to wear your flea collars.

viet_mom 09-02-2004 01:35 PM

6 Month Old Alone for 5 Days Next to Dead Parent
 
Okay - this is my worst nightmare, as a single parent who often works from home and is pretty much a loner.

I could definitely see 5 days going by before work sent a cop to the house and I often go 5 days without talking to my family on the phone. Daycare also doesn't call if your kid doesn't show up. At least a two year old would probably think to drink the toilet water and maybe even rummage around for food. It's too awful to think what an infant would do. I remember the incident where Sheila Bellush was murdered while with her 4 infant quadruplets and the quads spent all day slumped over her dead body, crying. I'm relieved the Babe can climb out of her crib and (usually) open doors.


Sorry for being such a bummer today!

taxwonk 09-02-2004 01:49 PM

6 Month Old Alone for 5 Days Next to Dead Parent
 
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Originally posted by viet_mom
Okay - this is my worst nightmare, as a single parent who often works from home and is pretty much a loner.

Sorry for being such a bummer today!
The second most distressing thing about this is that your source trumpets the fact they carry Rush Limbaugh. I know this is America, but given the level of idiocly and hypocrisy that this guy spews, why does he still have a bully pulpit?

Why, Bilmore, why?

baltassoc 09-02-2004 02:09 PM

6 Month Old Alone for 5 Days Next to Dead Parent
 
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Originally posted by viet_mom

Sorry for being such a bummer today!
I finf these two stories unimaginably depressing. The Bellush one especially (I Googled it)because a) I have multiples, and b) her kids were roughly the same age as the baltspawn are now. That is one creepy story.

Her 13 year old daughter found her body with her 23 month old quads running around naked except for each wearing a life preserver and covered in blood. Nobody knows why they were wearing life preservers, or who put them on them.

TexLex 09-03-2004 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
First, who is supposed to be invited? Ms. Manners, please help.
We have no family here other than one set of the kid's grantparents and an errant uncle who works weekeds and that's a pretty lame party. We have several neighbors that I would like to invite and many more who would like to be invited - I am wrestling with how to pare it way down. That is our biggest problem. Oh - that and the fact that Mr. Lex wants to have the party AT a football game. Men.

TexLex 09-03-2004 03:54 PM

Oh, and can someone post something happy? - I came here to get the CNN images of the dead Russian kids out of my head.

I may have to go and browse the talking pinatas again.

-TL

Flinty_McFlint 09-03-2004 03:57 PM

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Originally posted by TexLex
We have no family here other than one set of the kid's grantparents and an errant uncle who works weekeds and that's a pretty lame party. We have several neighbors that I would like to invite and many more who would like to be invited - I am wrestling with how to pare it way down. That is our biggest problem. Oh - that and the fact that Mr. Lex wants to have the party AT a football game. Men.
I have to admit that going to baby parties doesn't exactly fill me with joy. But one baby party I went to had a no limit hold em tournament for anyone who wanted to play (mostly men), and that wasn't too bad at all. If it's for a small kid who won't care anyway, it might not be a bad idea to have something the attendees can do--say, watch a football game, drink themselves blind, etc.

eta:For entertainment at our baby party, we're planning to mock and tease the Grinches for wearing flea collars after Labor Day, quelle horreur.

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone 09-03-2004 04:01 PM

Fuck art, let's dance
 
I wouldn't normally think of Wagner's "Flying Duchman" as dance music. But, somehow, a 4-year old girl at a "symphony in the parks" event can pull it off.

TexLex 09-03-2004 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
If it's for a small kid who won't care anyway, it might not be a bad idea to have something the attendees can do--say, watch a football game, drink themselves blind, etc.
No problem with football and beer at my house. He wants to do it at the game. I should add that both the attending grandparents are British, so as you may imagine, they are not real big football fans. Plus, the cake will probably melt on the tailgate.

baltassoc 09-03-2004 05:17 PM

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Originally posted by TexLex
No problem with football and beer at my house. He wants to do it at the game.
I hate to be negative, but you are married to either a madman or an idiot.

A one-year old at a football game? With a tailgate party of some sort? In November (I realize it's in Texas, but it could still be cold. Or at least cool. Okay, not blazing hot.)? And you're going to feed the kid cake?

1) It's not going to be fun for the kid, who'll have to sit still waaaaaay longer than he wants to. 2) It's not going to be fun for the adults, mainly because of 1). 3) Fewer people can participate on a casual basis (i.e. neighbor pops in to drop off cool toy and grab a piece of cake on the way to taking kid to soccer game).

Unless, of course, you have access to a skybox of some sort. Then I take it all back. That would actually be pretty cool. We're trying to swing this for baltspawn birthday number 3, but they (a)really like baseball and (b) will be 3.

ETA: Upon rereading, I don't think I adequately conveyed how much this would suck. Especially for the kid, and therefore the parents. No way you're getting to stay until halftime.

TexLex 09-03-2004 09:04 PM

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Originally posted by baltassoc
you are married to...a madman...
Possibly. He obviously hasn't thought this through and I can guarantee it won't happen anyway, because I won't be there and if I'm not there the kid won't be there either (I wear the boobies in this family!). We will have a normal party between naps at home on Sunday so Mr. Lex can enjoy his game on Sat.

-T(I can hear someone jabbering in his crib when he should have been asleep 45+min ago.)L

tmdiva 09-04-2004 12:06 AM

Fuck art, let's dance
 
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Originally posted by Oliver_Wendell_Ramone
I wouldn't normally think of Wagner's "Flying Duchman" as dance music. But, somehow, a 4-year old girl at a "symphony in the parks" event can pull it off.
Dude, PM me next time you're going to hit one of these--I'd love to see Magnus and Ruth Bader having their first dance together.

tm

credit this 09-06-2004 10:31 AM

Clown About Town
 
VM --

It looks like you didn't get any answers to your own party question, while you were answering others'.

1) Yes, you should invite the whole street over, even though it'll be more of a pain than it seems now and you'll spend more attention on the neighbors than you really probably want to at a birthday party. You can't do a clown on the lawn and not invite everyone. The good news is you'll have fulfilled your social obligations for a while.

2) There is no need to serve adult food at a 2 y.o. birthday party, esp. if it's midafternoon. Expect that most of the adults will take a piece of cake (if you get a large sheetcake you can always cut pieces based on how many people show up).

Good luck!




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Originally posted by viet_mom
The Babe turns two and I was going to have just the cousins over around 2 pm on a Sunday (only day available) for cake and have the clown from last year do his thing for an hour at about 3 pm. But....I don't know what to do about the neighbors, all of whom have kids (at least 2; all young) because none of us have fences, our yards all sort of go together and they'll all see the clown. I've met many of the families already and some have brought "welcome" gifts.

My feeling is the more the merrier so I would welcome the kids over. But do I go around to the different houses and give personal invites (I don't have phone numbers yet) and can I just serve sheet cake for the kids and not even have food offerings for the adults?

TexLex 09-08-2004 11:00 PM

I agree with credit this, VM.

Who knows anything about the different college savings schemes and can explain to a financial idiot what the differences are? In the alternative, who knows of a good website that can do this? The grandparents want to give some money to the kid to invest for him and I need a place to put it. Thoughts?

-T(financial idiot)L

Tyrone Slothrop 09-09-2004 12:30 AM

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Originally posted by TexLex
I agree with credit this, VM.

Who knows anything about the different college savings schemes and can explain to a financial idiot what the differences are? In the alternative, who knows of a good website that can do this? The grandparents want to give some money to the kid to invest for him and I need a place to put it. Thoughts?

-T(financial idiot)L
I looked at this not too long ago. Here is an article from the San Francisco Chronicle about 529s.

And here's an article from Morningstar in May about some 529s:
  • Five 529 Plans with Stellar Investment Options

    This quintet of savings plans offers solid funds and flexibility.

    by Paul Herbert | 05-03-04

    Parents and grandparents might feel like pulling their hair out when choosing among 529 savings plans. They may find that their home state provides a meaningful break on April 15, but that its plan may charge too much in management fees, or in pesky administrative charges. Or perhaps it does not provide enough flexibility, or it is run by a program manager that has failed to put its shareholders' interests ahead of its own profits.
    But while all of these elements are important, no evaluation of a 529 plan is complete without scrutiny of its investment options. In some cases, a state's plan may be cheap for both in-staters and outsiders, and offer significant tax breaks to its residents, but lack either sufficient breadth in its investment lineup or high-quality investment options.

    Thus, before deciding where to open a 529 plan, investors should find satisfactory answers to two questions: (1) Does the plan offer investment options that are either structured to ensure proper allocation to stocks, bonds, and cash as a beneficiary nears matriculation, or does it offer enough a la carte options that I can do so myself? and (2) Does the program present me with enough offerings that are proven standouts within their asset classes on the basis of strong investment performance, expert management, and reasonable costs?

    As we've written in the past, asset allocation as a child or grandchild nears college age is a key issue. Some plans don't become significantly conservative over time, leaving open the possibility that a downturn in stocks could wipe out gains just before they're needed. Other plans simply don't give you enough options to design your own allocation. (This is a fair criticism of the plans offered by TIAA-CREF, one of the nation's largest program managers.) Finally, at least one plan leaves its managers so much flexibility that savers can't easily determine what their plan's actual allocation to stocks and bonds is at any given time.

    It's just as crucial to know whether a program offers topnotch funds. You can't count on state treasurers to have done the necessary due diligence to ensure that a 529 plan offers the best managers. Some seem to have chosen firms with local ties over those with the best investment vehicles. Fortunately, you can turn to tools such as the Morningstar Rating for funds and Fund Family Score to help determine whether a state has gone with heroes or zeroes. Furthermore, you can determine if a manager has done well by its shareholders by checking our Fund Industry Investigation Update table.

    After evaluating plans on such measures, we've come up with a list of five that stand out from the rest. Note that the managers of these plans also run programs in other states. If the investment options for the different programs featured many of the same investment choices, we decided to highlight the one with the lowest costs. We indicated the other states in the capsule discussions below, as their residents might reap tax benefits from keeping their college-savings money close to home.

    Alaska--T. Rowe Price College Savings Plan
    This plan offers a reasonably crafted age-based plan and four stand-alone offerings. The age-based offering devotes about 30% to stocks when a beneficiary is about ready to enroll in college. That's a bit aggressive, but you can augment that with the stand-alone fixed-income option, T. Rowe Price Spectrum Income RPSIX, one of the top multisector bond funds. Standout funds such as T. Rowe Price Blue Chip Growth TRBCX and T. Rowe Price Small-Cap Stock OTCFX are also holdings of the age-based plan. Other states with plans managed by T. Rowe Price: Maryland.

    Delaware--Delaware College Investment Plan
    One of three plans managed by Fidelity Investments, this one offers a fine mix of a suitable age-based option and quality stand-alone vehicles. The age-based portfolio places about 25% of assets in equities when a beneficiary reaches age 15, which we find reasonably cautious. The portfolios feature topnotch offerings such as Fidelity Dividend Growth FDGFX and Fidelity Short-Term Bond FSHBX. Plus, the fund offers three static portfolios for do-it-yourselfers. Other states with plans managed by Fidelity: Massachusetts, New Hampshire. Advisors and their clients should note that Fidelity also offers a broker-sold plan with New Hampshire.

    Nebraska--College Savings Plan of Nebraska
    Union Bank & Trust's program offers just about everything but the kitchen sink. It features four age-based portfolios, six target portfolios, and 21 individual funds. And rather than relying on the offerings from one manager, Nebraska's program offers a menu of solid funds from Vanguard, Fidelity, T. Rowe Price, and PIMCO. As the 529 industry evolves, investors may find more states taking the best-of-class approach to structuring investment options. Texas' advisor-sold plan, which features managers from Marsico Funds, Montag & Caldwell, PIMCO, and Wellington, is another strong a la carte plan.

    Utah--Utah Education Savings Plan Trust
    This is arguably the best plan around. It offers six stand-alone and three age-based investment options. The stand-alone options range from a very conservative offering that places 100% of assets in a money-market fund to a vehicle on the bold side that features a diversified mix of large-cap, small-cap, U.S., and international stocks. The most conservative of the age-based offerings devotes only 10% to equities when a beneficiary reaches age 13, which is very cautious. And the most-expensive offering costs just under 43 basis points, making this the cheapest plan around. Other plans managed by Vanguard: Iowa, Nevada, New York, and Virginia.

    Virginia--CollegeAmerica 529 Savings Plan
    The country's largest plan, CollegeAmerica, is run by American Funds, and is sold through financial advisors. The plan's investment lineup is made up of stellar options such as American Funds Washington Mutual Investors AWSHX, American Funds Capital Income Builder CAIBX, and 19 other funds, each of which is available on a stand-alone basis. The fund's age-based plan is also quite cautious, with 70% of assets devoted to bonds and money-market instruments when a beneficiary turns 13. The funds have been very popular lately, which has made asset bloat a concern, but to date the firm has managed growth well.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-09-2004 12:40 AM

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Originally posted by Flinty_McFlint
I do have to think about the Flintette's 1 yr. b-day party, and I have some questions for you all. First, who is supposed to be invited? Family yeah, friends with kids, yeah. But I don't think I should invite any friends w/out kids--won't they be bored? I would be. Or is the birthday party aspect of it just a ruse. I don't want my childless friends to feel compelled to come and give a gift to a kid who won't even acknowledge them, except to perhaps smile and/or drool on them. Ms. Manners, please help.
We made a big deal out of L'il Ty's first birthday, and it was a total bust. He was overwhelmed by the attention, etc., and let's just say there were not a lot of good opportunities to take pictures. Other birthdays have been more fun.

viet_mom 09-09-2004 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by Tyrone Slothrop
We made a big deal out of L'il Ty's first birthday, and it was a total bust. He was overwhelmed by the attention, etc., and let's just say there were not a lot of good opportunities to take pictures. Other birthdays have been more fun.
Hmmmn. Well, all the books say the same thing - do it simple because the child will be overwhelmed. A test run is always good if possible - like talking the child to someone else's b'day party. Viet Babe loves a loud, crowded, zoo-like environment with people running around (heck, I take her to concerts - she loves it) so the crazy parties work for her.

On another note, I'm interested in the thread about how to entertain adults during the parties. At least where I am, the parties don't last that long that you'd worry about that. The adults are basically happy to have their torsos back without kids clinging to them, grab noshes and chat with fellow parents as the kids go nutso.

Thanks for the advice about the neighbors Credit This and Tex Lex. I don't have any of the neighbors phone numbers or last names but I've been approaching them when I see them to extend the invitation for the party.

baltassoc 09-09-2004 09:49 AM

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Originally posted by TexLex
I agree with credit this, VM.

Who knows anything about the different college savings schemes and can explain to a financial idiot what the differences are? In the alternative, who knows of a good website that can do this? The grandparents want to give some money to the kid to invest for him and I need a place to put it. Thoughts?

-T(financial idiot)L
To answer more broadly than Ty, there are three main types of college savings programs.

First are the 529 plans Ty mentioned. Money placed in the plan grows tax free, at least until the sunset date 2010. They work much like a 401k plan that offers a variety of mutual funds: you put money in the account (although it's not withdrawn pre tax), and then its allocated among one or more funds.

Almost every state has a 529 plan, and many have several. Recent controversies have arisen over high fees associated with some plans, especially ones that have specific tax advantages for residents of a particular state. Since you are blessed to be in a state that makes state income tax considerations pointless, you can cut through a lot of the analysis and go straight to the lowest fee plans. Having looked at this a lot last year, I'd suggest looking at the Alaska T.Rowe Price plan and the Utah Vanguard plan, with the difference being whether you favor an actively managed fund or an index. Personally, I have money in the T.Rowe Price Maryland plan, into which I contribute just enough to take full advantage of the Maryland state tax break ($2000 a year) and the T. Rowe Alaska plan, into which I deposit the grandparent checks (it has somewhat lower fees). I considered the Vanguard plan strongly, but frankly I'm already getting mail from enough different financial companies.

The second option is prepaid tuition plans. This is where you "buy" a semester of tuition at your local state school at today's prices, and the state will let you kid attend (assuming s/he gets in, not that you're worried about that) in X years. Usually, you can invest more or less than a semester, and its just prorated. There is also a consortium of private schools that have a similar scheme. The advantage is that if school tuition outpaces investment returns, you look good. However, the limitations really seem restrictive to my view.

The third option is a Coverdale IRA. This works like an education specific Roth IRA (contributions are post tax, but income is tax free), but it has some additional restrictions from a 529, the three main ones being caps on annual contributions ($2000), the fact that couples earning more than $160K a year can't contribute and the fact it can't be transfered from one beneficiary to another. One big plus is that the tax advantages are not currently scheduled to sunset.

The best web resource on all these options is:
http://www.savingforcollege.com/
It breaks down all the different 529s, plus has info on the other two types of plans.

For info on the private college prepaid tuition plan:
http://www.independent529plan.org/

TexLex 09-09-2004 12:06 PM

Thank you Ty and Baltassoc. I heart you both. You are invited to our party.

Say I have a more than $2000 to invest...would you suggest doing the Coverdale account first and then put the rest in the 529? The Coverdale account seems to be the way to go if you qualify...but what if (heaven forbid) the kid for whatever reason does not go to college? Same with the 529 plans - can you switch them to different kids? What if you have no other kid to switch the money to? Is there any possible way the kid could ever get his paws on the dough without our say so?

The Texas plan has had a lot of bad press - and at least for a while it was closed because they were worried about funding it later, so I'm staying clear of that.

viet_mom 09-09-2004 12:51 PM

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Originally posted by TexLex
Thank you Ty and Baltassoc. I heart you both. You are invited to our party.

Say I have a more than $2000 to invest...would you suggest doing the Coverdale account first and then put the rest in the 529? The Coverdale account seems to be the way to go if you qualify...but what if (heaven forbid) the kid for whatever reason does not go to college? Same with the 529 plans - can you switch them to different kids? What if you have no other kid to switch the money to? Is there any possible way the kid could ever get his paws on the dough without our say so?

The Texas plan has had a lot of bad press - and at least for a while it was closed because they were worried about funding it later, so I'm staying clear of that.
This stuff is my sister's specialty at her job (she's head of retirement funds at a big company). You should definitely pick up the phone and call her - she wont' try to sell you something from her company. Just get free advice. She helped me set up a fund for Viet Babe. PM me if you want her number. She just returned to work after maternity leave with her twins and she's real bummed!

baltassoc 09-09-2004 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by TexLex
Say I have a more than $2000 to invest...would you suggest doing the Coverdale account first and then put the rest in the 529? The Coverdale account seems to be the way to go if you qualify...but what if (heaven forbid) the kid for whatever reason does not go to college? Same with the 529 plans - can you switch them to different kids? What if you have no other kid to switch the money to? Is there any possible way the kid could ever get his paws on the dough without our say so?
The first $2000 in the Coverdale question is one hotly debated by people with far more knowledge than I. I believe there's an extensive discussion of just that question on the Saving for College website.

One of the nice things about 529s is that you can roll them over to other people: siblings, grandchildren, godchildren, the cute poolboy working his way through school, etc., as long as its used for educational expenses. I believe one of the issues with the Coverdale is exactly your last question: a Coverdale goes to the kid by some age (30? 35?) no matter what, while a 529 stays under the control of the owner always (except upon death, of course, and even then it doesn't have to go to the kid).

TexLex 09-09-2004 04:36 PM

Thanks Baltassoc and VM, I may annoy your sis if I can't figure this out myself...I told Mr. Lex I would have this all planned out by the time he got back on Mon. Gracias for the offer.

-T(grateful)L

TexLex 09-10-2004 11:31 AM

I need to settle a rumor - that in CA siblings over 5 may not share a bedroom by law. I checked the Family Code and found nothing. Can any Californians shed some light on this? TIA!

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 09-10-2004 11:35 AM

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Originally posted by TexLex
I need to settle a rumor - that in CA siblings over 5 may not share a bedroom by law. I checked the Family Code and found nothing. Can any Californians shed some light on this? TIA!
Man, if only the Bradys had a good lawyer.

TexLex 09-10-2004 12:02 PM

Crap - I meant kids of the opposite sex.

dtb 09-10-2004 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by TexLex
Thank you Ty and Baltassoc. I heart you both. You are invited to our party.

Say I have a more than $2000 to invest...would you suggest doing the Coverdale account first and then put the rest in the 529? The Coverdale account seems to be the way to go if you qualify...but what if (heaven forbid) the kid for whatever reason does not go to college? Same with the 529 plans - can you switch them to different kids? What if you have no other kid to switch the money to? Is there any possible way the kid could ever get his paws on the dough without our say so?

The Texas plan has had a lot of bad press - and at least for a while it was closed because they were worried about funding it later, so I'm staying clear of that.
529 plans are transferrable to anybody -- that's right ANYBODY (including you) -- although maybe it has to be someone in your family, I can't remember. So, if you wanted to go back to school for something, you could. If you had another child, you could transfer it to him/her.

I use the Rhode Island plan. I don't know why. It's what my financial planner suggested. I also have money in the New York plan, but it was really sucking for a while, and there were high fees to transfer the funds to another state's plan, so I just left it there, and it's doing much better now.

Flinty_McFlint 09-10-2004 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by TexLex
I need to settle a rumor - that in CA siblings over 5 may not share a bedroom by law. I checked the Family Code and found nothing. Can any Californians shed some light on this? TIA!
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Originally posted by TexLex
Crap - I meant kids of the opposite sex.
I'll pay you a dollar to post this on the FB instead, so I can answer freely.

johnny_doe_esq 09-10-2004 05:33 PM

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Originally posted by TexLex
The Texas plan has had a lot of bad press - and at least for a while it was closed because they were worried about funding it later, so I'm staying clear of that.
I hadn't heard they closed any 529-type plan. The did close enrollment for the Texas Tomorrow Funds for the simple reason that once the legislature gave up control of state school tuition, they couldn't give a flat-rate quote today for fully-paid tuition in 18 years. We got in just under the wire for our first kid, at the end of 2002.


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