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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 409769)

Arbitration, yes. Free agency is in the future. At which point it might make sense to get rid of him, because yes, that is when the bucks really start increasing.

He made $2.2mm last year; he might realistically win at arb at $7mm--he was one of the top dozen or so AL starters and Boras is his agent.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 409771)

Too true. I divide the whole thusly: Me. Not in your group, except when I think playing along with your ethos and traditions will get me $$$. But I'm not against you, either. Sometimes, I'll support you, sometimes not. But don't ask for my allegiance, and for the better of both of us, don't claim me and I won't claim you.

Nice to define yourself as whatever you want, you lone wolf you, but you're dumped in buckets every day, which I think is a bit more the point here.

BTW, welcome to the white guy lawyer on the internet pail, my friend. Cozy, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 409764)

Okay, but what's the fix? Tiger should have limited himself to Asian or Black women? What's that do but satisfy the short term needs of the complainer at damage to the more progressive long term goal of obliterating the false distinction entirely?

What the fuck are you talking about? There is a huge chasm between limiting oneself to black women and exclusively dating/fucking white women. Most people would wonder why Tiger wouldn't have a bit of a mix in his pool--some black women? Some Asian? Hispanic? Anything? But not you. Apparently, you can only think in extremes.

The point is, Tiger is not interested in sticking his dick in anyone who isn't white.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 409764)

ETA: We'd all have liked to have been born more desirable in one aspect or another, but you get the cards you get. I wasn't going to be Brad Pitt or George Clooney, and some chicks were just out of my league. Sucks, but what can you do?

Um...you are really going to have to explain how you not looking like George Clooney is similar to black women being deemed undesirable because they don't have caucasian features (and having that much smaller of a dating pool). Ugly people are a constant, no matter what the race. What is your point? Unless you're saying, "African features are deemed ugly, so deal with it," I don't get it.

TM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 409750)

Many mixed people choose to self-identify in more than one way. I used to do this (mostly because I am half white and why should I deny that side of me?), but realized long ago, it's not worth the explanations one has to give to the unbelievable number of small-minded people (of both races) I come across. If Tiger wants to think of himself as part black and part asian, more power to him (although, with him I tend to think it's a marketing ploy, but who's to say?). Clearly Obama couldn't because he is a politician and the amount of scrutiny and garbage that would be thrown at him for doing so would be insurmountable. But the fact that black people claim either person as one of their own is no small surprise since the possession of black features and or black skin and hair automatically places you in that category.

The OddMan is mixed but never identifies that way -- unless he's at a Chinese restaurant and feels like bonding with the waiter -- because when he steps out of his door, he's black. Had he finished growing up in California, he might have felt differently, but his teens and twenties were spent in the South where he has been questioned by police for alleged kidnapping while a passenger in the car with his white girlfriend.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 409759)

You can't get around the simple point that until we stop "claiming" people and sensibly, maturely acknowledge that we're all really mutts and the aim is not "diversity" where we celebrate differences, but an utterly ethnic/color blind world, we're tribalizing ourselves into factions that hold us back.

. . . .

I fully understand there's a huge YMMV thing on this issue. People have a right to want to maintain their cultures and "claim" to belong to one group or another, and those sides have a right to "claim" certain people. And I have a right to note that as long as we fixate on divisions, those divisions will persist.

I have a multiethnic background and people are always trying to define me as one thing or another, though my heritage is a little harder to place than the OddMan's or than my current SO, who hails from a deliberately homogenous people. I do not do it; they do. People fixate on ethnicity as they fixate on clothing/jewelry as ways to find similarities and differences and then to prejudge based upon them.

It is as much a reality today as it was 50 years ago and we ignore those prejudgments at our peril.

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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 409772)

I think we have let "tolerance" and "diversity" substitute for the former and somewhat higher aspiration of integration. For example, the SF Bay Area is very "diverse," but no one would dare call it integrated.

The propaganda that was fed to me as a young Canadian was that in Canada, diversity and multiculturalism are the loftiest aims (embodied in Canada), and that is why we are better than the "assimilationist" Americans. I was taught this in Social Studies class and it pretty much stayed with me until about 1999.

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Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 409763)

Yes, here I am again with the next big thing from two years ago.

http://s0.ilike.com/play#Jamie+T:If+...d73ee3ad5a4530

Spree: Music!

But I like it. It has grown on me. So much so that I am willing to post it here, despite the fact that Flower will be along shortly to suggest that I check out that hot new artist Amy Winehouse or somesuch.

Edited to add: if you google his name and or the song name there is a full version out there. Not sure why the link takes you to the abbreviated version.

"Myspace Player?" The fuck, Weed? You trying to branch out beyond Friendster again?

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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 409772)

2. Call me an angry crank, but I'd much rather find common ground than celebrate what I am or you are. Who the fuck cares? Is there any difference between having five scotches with an Indian versus five with an Englishman or a Japanese person? I have yet to meet an interesting person who used the word "diversity" regularly. It's like talking about drywall. First rule of tolerance club - shut up about tolerance club. Because last I heard, that's the central notion of tolerance.

(Which, of course, I've already broken today by criticizing others. But I was criticizing people for lack of tolerance. So I guess that's tolerant by double negative, no? [Or do I mean, 'Yes?']).

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Originally Posted by evenodds (Post 409778)

his teens and twenties were spent in the South where he has been questioned by police for alleged kidnapping while a passenger in the car with his white girlfriend.

Alleged or suspected? And if the former, why was she pissed at him?

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Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 409780)

"Myspace Player?" The fuck, Weed? You trying to branch out beyond Friendster again?

I'll give you the details via email: ironweed@aol.com

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Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 409763)

My only criticism is of your failure to realize the full power of the edit function.

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 409784)

My only criticism is of your failure to realize the full power of the edit function.

I tried to get Hank to help, but he doesn't respond to my PMs any more. :-(

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 409782)

Alleged or suspected? And if the former, why was she pissed at him?

Is this a joke?

TM

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Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 409776)

It's only due to the enormous lack of lustriousness in our shared heritage that I come to this feeling of abandonment, you know. I looked through all the Social Studies books and it all came back to the same horrible reality I'd viewed at every family reunion nearly ending in fisticuffs following a keg and two bottles of Bushmills: Irish Need Not Apply.

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 409781)

Yeah, I am fucking sick of cultural pride.

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 409786)

Is this a joke?

TM

Yes