LawTalkers

LawTalkers (http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/index.php)
-   Politics (http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=16)
-   -   Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss. (http://www.lawtalkers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=875)

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-05-2016 06:10 PM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500192)
Hilary had (has) influence in the White House beyond her portfolio, as did other people in Obama's administration. He was not one to draw strict lines between portfolios. Of course, he was also known on occasion to eschew any advice and go it alone on certain decisions. She also exercised influence during her Senate tenure.

Beyond the banking crisis and its fallout, she also had a role as Secretary of State in the failure of the Obama administration to close Gitmo and to expand the Predator program.

I don't think she's evil incarnate. I don't necessarily think she's any worse than any other career politician. I just don't think she has the integrity to be President. I don't see her standing up and saying "I know this decision will be unpopular but it's the right thing to do, and I'm going to do it." And I'm not going to vote for anyone for President who I don't think has that level of integrity. I thought Obama had it and I got burned. I won't get burned again.

Hillary was pretty damn busy at Sec of State.

If she had time to fly around the world dealing with wars and treaties and killing bin Laden and stuff while still using her free time to oversee the reconstruction of the financial system, man, we need her!

Pretty Little Flower 04-05-2016 06:18 PM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500193)

Did you know that the whole "ostrich burying its head in the sand" thing is a myth? Speaking of flightless (or mainly flightless birds), today's Daily Dose is "Chicken Strut" by the Meters, one of the first songs that turned me on to the Meters:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Eg8zYUFqiE

Tyrone Slothrop 04-05-2016 11:13 PM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500183)
And It's still going to take some real effort on my part to find a reason to vote for her.

How about, she's better than the alternative. Isn't that the only question?

Hank Chinaski 04-05-2016 11:34 PM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 500200)
How about, she's better than the alternative. Isn't that the only question?

Who is the alternative?

Not Bob 04-06-2016 08:16 AM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500201)
Who is the alternative?

A. A lengthy period of time between an original post from the wee hours and an edit always makes me wonder what was said.

B. I don't presume to speak for young Mr. Slothrop, but at this point in the campaign, the alternative to Hilary (or Bernie) is likely to be either Trump or Cruz. I suppose that someone else can come out of the convention with the GOP nomination, but that would be pretty unlikely, no? And I don't know enough about the Libertarian former governor of New Mexico (?) to assess how bad of an alternative he would be to Hilary (or Bernie).

As for others, I get the sense from something SEC said (IIRC, she called him a pro-life libertarian) that he's in favor of keeping the government out of "everything" (loosely defined) other than social issues like abortion and things that the religious right opposes. That seems bad to me.

C. I finally got GGG's nostalgic joke several hours after you pointed out my whiff. What can I say? I am the Dave Kingman of the lawyer-chatting Lawtalkers board.

And I look forward to Sidd@60 - I imagine a cross between Larry David and Uncle Junior.

SEC_Chick 04-06-2016 09:44 AM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 500202)
As for others, I get the sense from something SEC said (IIRC, she called him a pro-life libertarian) that he's in favor of keeping the government out of "everything" (loosely defined) other than social issues like abortion and things that the religious right opposes. That seems bad to me.

Just to clarify, Gary Johnson, former governor of NM is a traditional libertarian. In the debate he said that he thinks Jewish bakers should have to bake a Nazi wedding cake, and he's pro choice. So he's not a social conservative or a religious libertarian. He won in a state where Ds outnumber Rs 2 to 1.

Austin Peterson is the pro-life libertarian who does not think one should have to bake a Nazi wedding cake, if one so disagrees. And when I followed him on Twitter he sent me a lengthy direct message and offered to personally call me to earn my support.

ThurgreedMarshall 04-06-2016 09:47 AM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500203)
And when I followed him on Twitter he sent me a lengthy direct message and offered to personally call me to earn my support.

Well then he should definitely be President.

TM

Not Bob 04-06-2016 09:52 AM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500203)
Just to clarify, Gary Johnson, former governor of NM is a traditional libertarian. In the debate he said that he thinks Jewish bakers should have to bake a Nazi wedding cake, and he's pro choice. So he's not a social conservative or a religious libertarian. He won in a state where Ds outnumber Rs 2 to 1.

Austin Peterson is the pro-life libertarian who does not think one should have to bake a Nazi wedding cake, if one so disagrees. And when I followed him on Twitter he sent me a lengthy direct message and offered to personally call me to earn my support.

Thanks for the clarification - I apparently conflated the two guys you mentioned. I suppose I could have googled, but what fun is that?

Tyrone Slothrop 04-06-2016 11:17 AM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500201)
Who is the alternative?

Someone whom Wonk will like less.

Hank Chinaski 04-06-2016 11:51 AM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 500202)
A. A lengthy period of time between an original post from the wee hours and an edit always makes me wonder what was said.

I was snide about how much thought he has ever put into the general election.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-06-2016 12:46 PM

Re: Arise, ye workers from your slumber.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500194)
Bernie Sanders doesn't have a magic wand. He's just the only one running who says that the status quo is no longer acceptable, and abdication of government is not the right answer either.

I like Bernie, but he's a legislative lightweight with grand ideas and zero follow through. He's not Liz Warren, who can get into the nitty and gritty of how she's execute. Ask him how to execute, and he'll tell you it's all about the class struggle.

I think your approach is a recipe for lightweights. Do nothing and it's hard for people to criticize what you've done.

Not Bob 04-06-2016 01:16 PM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500207)
I was snide about how much thought he has ever put into the general election.

Ah. To be honest, I've probably not put much thought into the general election, either. I think it's unfortunate how the current GOP presidential nomination purity tests reminds me of the Democratic Party between just after Humphrey lost in 1968 through (mostly*) 1992. I think that it's possible that 2020 will be different as a result of this year's process.

*Carter tricked the party's activists into thinking that he was more liberal than he actually was. And one could argue that Gore's campaign in 1988 showed the growing power of the moderates/DLC pro-defense wing of the party.

Sidd Finch 04-06-2016 01:25 PM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500184)
Exerting her influence as Secretary of State over who goes to jail for financial fraud? What are you talking about?


Oh, c'mon. If you were a bank looking to get an easy deal on criminal conduct, wouldn't you plan to pay the current Secretary of State a large speaking fee a few years from now, after that person retires, in order to secure that deal?

Makes total sense. Let's talk about Vince Foster!

Sidd Finch 04-06-2016 01:28 PM

Re: Arise, ye workers from your slumber.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500194)
You don't need a magic wand to rein in the banks. The Fed has authority to establish reserve requirements. If a bank is too big to fail, the Fed can require it to have large enough reserves to ensure that it won't, up to say, 60% (a number I pulled right out of my ass). The President can appoint Fed Commissioners who will impose high enough reserves to make it impossible for banks to hold the global economy hostage and remain profitable. Treasury has the ability to prohibit a bank from writing a credit default swap on any asset it doesn't have a need to hedge.

Bernie Sanders doesn't have a magic wand. He's just the only one running who says that the status quo is no longer acceptable, and abdication of government is not the right answer either.

So Bernie's central policy plan is reduced to "I'm going to have the Fed require larger reserves"?

Interesting, that it is reduced to that, and that he doesn't actually know that himself.

Sidd Finch 04-06-2016 01:31 PM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 500197)
I'm not sure how much say she has over DOD operations at Gitmo, but sure, she's part of the failure to do the thing the Congress expressly forbade them to use any federal funds to do.

I have no defense of drones.

Has Bernie said he would end drone strikes? I do not think that he has.

But I guess that's okay, in Wonk's view. When he casts his protest vote for Bernie, he will be safe in the knowledge that he isn't voting for anyone who will actually become President and use drone strikes. Problem solved!


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:47 PM.

Powered by: vBulletin, Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Limited.
Hosted By: URLJet.com