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G.P.

RT, can you delete the original post?

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Stipulated. But Madoff probably didn't need his warrant served by dudes in Kevlar, and something tells me the fact that you've just served a warrant on somebody in Greenwich, Connecticut won't mean you'll be more equanimous about the same task in Harlem.

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Enforcement without a racist bent would be a nice start. I would imagine that the cops in Seattle could spend as much time and effect as much result by enforcing a policy of "random" stops of persons driving while white, male and young in the area of the University of Washington, unfortunately, they only have so much time and plenty of it (from my random drives through the 'hood in Seattle twice a day every day) is spent on random stops of persons driiving while black, male and young.

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Good fucking grief. You weren't arguing about using deadly force. You specifically said that if someone has a weapon they should be shot and killed and the details should be sorted out afterwards. And you are intentionally ignoring what I said in favor of a bright line rule that really gives cops an excuse to unload on someone if they have a weapon.

There are scenarios in which people need not be killed, even when they have a weapon. This is a fact. If the psycho with the sword was menacing and could not be isolated and shot in the leg, then by all means, shoot him in the fucking face. If you are trying to wound the guy and you miss and he dies, tough shit for him.

I'm oh so happy that you're comfortable with cops only having to explain that they shot to kill because the person had a weapon. I'm not. The use of deadly force should be explained every time. And you're not going to tell me that if a cop shoots to kill and misses and hits the guy in the spine, completely immobilizing him (turning him an expensive quadripeligc) that they should empty their clip in the hopes of finishing him off and saving us all a bunch of money. That's just stupid.

(And yet, it looked like, from that video that the cop who killed the samarai guy, shot at least 13 times, making her one of three things, a hero for saving someone's or her own life, a horrible shot, and therefore more of a danger to everyone around or one of those cops who have been waiting to light someone up since the academy graduation).

TM

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Is this really your response? Or are just being flippant?

TM

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You are starting to sound like an asshole.

I'm going to go ahead and guess that there is a high percentage of people who live in Harlem who aren't criminals. These are the people who do not deserve to be treated like they are fucking criminals simply because they are poor and black. They don't need to be pulled over because they are black. They don't need to be stopped and frisked because they are poor. They don't need to be shot at when a task force feels like doing a sweep. They don't need to be harassed for no reason at all just because they live in that neighborhood. They don't need their rights trampled because people outside of Harlem automatically assume whatever the cop says is true when they talk about Harlem. They don't deserve to be beaten when they mouth off. They don't deserve to be punished by cops instead of taken to prison when they do commit a crime.

In short, they don't deserve the presumption of guilt that follows them and the mistreatment that no one with any power gives a shit about, because they are black and poor and live in Harlem.

Jesus.

TM

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I would bet the folks who came for Madoff were wearing Kevlar. And if they weren't, they are stupid.

You are making asssumptions about people based on where they live, their level of affluence and perhaps the type of crime. Those assumptions are not necessarily correct. And only the third one is at all legitimate.

Re: Moving On
 

Shot and wounded. You mean, like, kneecapping?

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I deleted that part from my post.........why did you have to bring it up again.......I'm a dead. man. posting......

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I don't buy that. You could look at things proportionally between White and Black neighborhoods, or between rich and poor, and I am comfortable you would find that on a relative basis, far more Black men are shot under questionable circumstances than White men.

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Honest question--any idea where one might find the stats? I'm not aware of a PD that does anything other than obfuscate on the issue and they certainly don't make the records easy to review. Obviously, it's easier to figure out for the ones who die, but that's a relatively small number of all shootings.

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I've always wondered if the fact that young black guys get pulled over or stopped on the street more than whites doesn't create its own problem. When I'm pulled over I'm scared still, maybe not shitless scared, but it is still very unique for me. I wonder if making black men more used to encounters with the police doesn't create a world where they don't give the cops the respect (read fear) they get from white people since it is more routine to them.


Although there will also be the fear that cops kill a black guy they stop every so often, but that is a different level of fear.

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Do me the favor of finding a single moment when I advocated otherwise.

My system has the advantage of in fact being the law. And I have a pretty strong argument that your system is supported by exactly ZERO reputable civil rights groups because they, having the benefit of actually thinking about this longer than it takes to yell at a TV screen, know that it would result in more shootings and more deaths. My goal is to reduce both, and I'm the asshole?

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How is that inconsistant with what I said?