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Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-08-2016 05:27 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 500264)
I don't know what it is, but I know anyone saying it's more "truly American" than that of our first metropolis is talking shit I'd be pleased to see him spout from a bullhorn on a street corner in Bedford Stuyvesant or Staten Island.

Well, Bed-Stuy would be fun to watch because there's be all the rotten vegetables getting tossed. But out on the Island, said person would just quietly disappear.

Sidd Finch 04-08-2016 05:29 PM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500267)
No. That's not good enough. I want to vote for someone I believe will do a good job and someone who thinks the same things I think are important are important. Wendy's is better than McDonald's, but I don't buy my lunch at either place.

Do you choose to starve instead? Do you say "I don't like Wendy's or McDonald's, and the place I really want to have lunch to day is that little place in Paris I went to once that was excellent, so I will vote to have lunch at the Paris place, even though I cannot realistically get there today"?

Sidd Finch 04-08-2016 05:30 PM

Re: Arise, ye workers from your slumber.
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500268)
I'd love to have an Elizabeth Warrant to vote for. Unfortunately, the Senate can't spare her.


You should write her in. After all, she's the ideal candidate for you. Not like that would be a protest vote or anything

Sidd Finch 04-08-2016 05:31 PM

Re: Arise, ye workers from your slumber.
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500270)
Quit attributing shit to me that I didn't say. I say enough stupid shit myself without you putting words in my mouth.

I apologize for overstating the thought that had gone into Bernie's "plan". I should have recognized that when people think they've found the Messiah, they tend to stop asking about the details.

Hank Chinaski 04-08-2016 06:55 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 500278)
Well, Bed-Stuy would be fun to watch because there's be all the rotten vegetables getting tossed.

depends on the neighborhood. just as likely to have bearded hipsters quietly making snide comments to each other about him, for a few minutes, then leaving.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-08-2016 09:53 PM

Re: MONEY IS BAD, SEND IT TO ME
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 500281)
I apologize for overstating the thought that had gone into Bernie's "plan". I should have recognized that when people think they've found the Messiah, they tend to stop asking about the details.

Sidd. Remember your blood pressure. Calm Down.

It's just another preacher infomercial on a loop. Turn the channel. It will run its course.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-09-2016 02:27 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500248)
For today's update in the incompetence of the Trump campaign, I bring you Colorado.

Colorado has 37 delegates: 3 for state GOP leaders, 13 at-large delegates representing the entire state, and 21 for the state Congressional Districts (3 per Congressional district). The CD delegates are being elected this week and the state-wide delegates will be elected at the state convention tomorrow. Ted Cruz was generally the only one who has been active in securing CO delegates (no surprise), but over the past couple of days Trump realized that he may need some organizational help in that regard and that winning states is only the first step in the process. It seems his hiring of the "best people" hasn't been enough.

CO has allowed each delegate to decide whether to endorse a candidate on the first ballot. Ted Cruz swept the first day, and Donald canceled his attendance at the convention Saturday to stay in NY, but Trump did submit a slate of delegates for district #7 yesterday. Unfortunately, his slate was filled with Cruz supporters. All three delegates were on the Cruz slate as was the first alternate. Of the remaining two alternates, one was unpledged and one a non-slate Cruz supporter. To add insult to injury, two of Trump's delegates didn't even show up on the ballot because they didn't pay the fee. Shockingly, Cruz swept all of the delegates in district #7.

Even when Trump tries to play the delegate game, rather than ignoring it, he fails pretty awesomely. Cue up complaints about how Lyin' Ted "stole" his CO delegates.

I get that Trump doesn't play the game well, and that we lawyers especially should hold that against him. But when Trump underperforms in the delegate count relative to his popular support with GOP primary voters, don't you think it's going to be a problem for the party too?

Tyrone Slothrop 04-09-2016 02:33 AM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
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Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 500267)
No. That's not good enough. I want to vote for someone I believe will do a good job and someone who thinks the same things I think are important are important.

Me too. And sometimes I also want a pony.

eta: Not to eat, though.

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Wendy's is better than McDonald's, but I don't buy my lunch at either place.
I hear that, and likewise try to avoid putting myself in a position where I have to choose one or the other or starve. Sometimes that takes some work.

SEC_Chick 04-09-2016 08:40 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 500286)
I get that Trump doesn't play the game well, and that we lawyers especially should hold that against him. But when Trump underperforms in the delegate count relative to his popular support with GOP primary voters, don't you think it's going to be a problem for the party too?

But I think, if anything, he has overperformed in delegate count relative to his support with voters. Does he not have a higher percentage of delegates awarded (at least on the first ballot) than he has won of the popular vote? He generally had an advantage in a crowded field that has now narrowed significantly. He has yet to win a majority in a single state, and is only polling 52% in his home state, when his main competition famously insulted it, and his other competition hasn't won a single delegate since Rubio dropped out weeks ago.

Sidd Finch 04-09-2016 03:36 PM

Re: Hilary had nothing to do with UBS
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 500287)
I hear that, and likewise try to avoid putting myself in a position where I have to choose one or the other or starve. Sometimes that takes some work.


And when you are in a restaurant that has only chicken and beef on the menu, do you order the fish? Because, you know, you shouldn't be limited to choosing only what is actually there....

Tyrone Slothrop 04-09-2016 08:28 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500288)
But I think, if anything, he has overperformed in delegate count relative to his support with voters. Does he not have a higher percentage of delegates awarded (at least on the first ballot) than he has won of the popular vote? He generally had an advantage in a crowded field that has now narrowed significantly. He has yet to win a majority in a single state, and is only polling 52% in his home state, when his main competition famously insulted it, and his other competition hasn't won a single delegate since Rubio dropped out weeks ago.

They all over performed in the delegate count relative to their support with voters, because there were other candidates in the race who have fallen out. Not that you're wrong, but I don't think it goes to the point I was trying to make.

SEC_Chick 04-11-2016 10:03 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 500292)
They all over performed in the delegate count relative to their support with voters, because there were other candidates in the race who have fallen out. Not that you're wrong, but I don't think it goes to the point I was trying to make.

I see your point, but it is pretty much entirely the fault of "I hire the best people" Donald Trump. I think that the Cruz campaign is playing by the rules in a much more honorable way than Trump surrogates who suggest the violent intimidation of delegates in Cleveland to get their way. And I think that, generally speaking, the rules on the R side are much more fair.

On the Dem side, for example, Bernie won Wyoming with 56% of the vote. But because of the way the delegates are allocated and super delegates, Bernie and Hillary ended up with a 7-7 split on the proportional delegates. And Hillary had already picked up the 4 super delegates. So Bernie won 56% and came in second in the state by 4 delegates. That is an entirely different problem than we have on the R side, and is a lot more contrary to the will of the voters, is it not?


Oh and for the weekend update, Trump is getting his ass handed to him in the selection of the bound delegates in North Carolina. Cruz swept CO and Indiana and went 11 for 12 in Iowa. And quite humorously in CO, where there were several hundred people running to be delegates and they were identified by number only on the ballot, Trump's "best people" put 5 of 13 wrong numbers, and included unpledged delegates and a Cruz supporter on its voter recommendations. The alternate slate also included numbers of Cruz supporters. Then the campaign put out an updated slate, but still included the Cruz supporter on it. Only a real crack campaign apparatus tells people to vote for the other guys in multiple states. It's not the rules that are the problem. The problem is the Trump campaign. To his credit, he did shut out Cruz delegates in Michigan over the weekend from the important rules committees, because the Kasich delegates who said they would vote with the Cruz people turned. Further evidence that Kasich remains only to do Trump's bidding.

As I was saying last week regarding NY and how a lot of Trump supporters won't be able to vote for him... it came out this weekend that Ivanka and Eric Trump can't vote for their father because they didn't change their voter registration by last October. Oops.

Adder 04-11-2016 10:58 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500295)
On the Dem side, for example, Bernie won Wyoming with 56% of the vote. But because of the way the delegates are allocated and super delegates, Bernie and Hillary ended up with a 7-7 split on the proportional delegates. And Hillary had already picked up the 4 super delegates. So Bernie won 56% and came in second in the state by 4 delegates.

But that's wrong. The super delegates can change their mind and vote Bernie if they want, which is what many did last time around when it became clear that the voters preferred Obama.

All the focus on super delegates is weird. They aren't going to matter.

SEC_Chick 04-11-2016 11:17 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 500296)
But that's wrong. The super delegates can change their mind and vote Bernie if they want, which is what many did last time around when it became clear that the voters preferred Obama.

All the focus on super delegates is weird. They aren't going to matter.

They can change their mind. Or they can tip the scale and give the nomination to the loser in popular votes - by design.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-11-2016 11:28 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 500296)
But that's wrong. The super delegates can change their mind and vote Bernie if they want, which is what many did last time around when it became clear that the voters preferred Obama.

All the focus on super delegates is weird. They aren't going to matter.

I don't get the complaints about superdelegates in caucus states. Bernie won Alaska with a grand total of 440 votes. He got 156 votes in Wyoming. These are tiny, tiny caucuses. There will be many superdelegates elected to the DNC or other offices with more votes than that.

It's one thing to complain about this in NY, where millions of people vote. I understand that, and if I were writing the rules, I'd look at either binding superdelegates in such states on the first ballot or just eliminating or lessening them. But then, if I were writing the rules, we'd eliminate caucuses.


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