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sebastian_dangerfield 04-12-2016 01:04 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 500312)
We lawyers appreciate the way that knowing how to play the process can give you a tactical advantage, and in a race where no one is the clear winner, a tactical advantage may be enough. But most people think that the person who gets the most votes should be the winner, and are apt to see a process that rewards clever tactics as inherently flawed. Trump is running against, in part, government institutions that reward and advantage those who know who to play the inside game, and if the GOP finds a way to exploit process to make someone else the nominee, his voters are going to be royally pissed. As a Democrat, I take some delight in that, but there you go. You are right that the primary process has similar flaws on the Democratic side, but this time around they seem to be somewhat less material, even if Susan Sarandon feels otherwise.
Seventy percent of Bernie's followers said they will not support HRC in a recent poll. Imagine the percentage of Trump supporters who'll refuse to get behind anyone else. 80-90%?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-12-2016 02:44 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 500320)
Seventy percent of Bernie's followers said they will not support HRC in a recent poll. Imagine the percentage of Trump supporters who'll refuse to get behind anyone else. 80-90%?
Yeah, but a large percent of those Bernie supporters will change their mind.

ThurgreedMarshall 04-12-2016 02:50 PM
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Nope. I'm done with this.
Not really a challenge. Just some information you might find interesting.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 04-12-2016 02:52 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 500321)
Yeah, but a large percent of those Bernie supporters will change their mind.
And the only people answering those polls are the most ardent Bernie supporters. Everyone else isn't trying to waste their time with those fucking things.

TM

Pretty Little Flower 04-12-2016 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500323)
And the only people answering those polls are the most ardent Bernie supporters. Everyone else isn't trying to waste their time with those fucking things.

TM
Word. Every minute you spend taking a poll is a minute less you spend living. Last night was night two in a rare 2-shows-in-2-nights run for me. French producer and musician St. Germain. If you you think his ambient house sound is dated, I urge you to see him live. For his eponymous album last year (the first in something like 12 years), he recruited a bunch of African musicians to do a Mali-influenced sound. I think the album is pretty good, but live, his show is fucking great. His band is from all over (I caught Mali, Senegal, Martinique, Guadeloupe, and there were many other countries represented). And they are TIGHT. Anyway, it got me thinking about the cross-pollination between U.S. funk and African sounds in the 70s. James Brown was informing Fela's music and vice versa, and all over Africa (and especially in Nigeria), an American-sounding funk scene was blossoming. Fortunately, a lot of it has been captured and released (or re-released) in various compilation albums. This one is from a band called the Sahara All Stars of Jos, and is called "Take Your Soul." Your Africa-inspired Daily Dose of Funk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt1w...&nohtml5=False

Not Bob 04-12-2016 04:24 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 500324)
Word. Every minute you spend taking a poll is a minute less you spend living. Last night was night two in a rare 2-shows-in-2-nights run for me. French producer and musician St. Germain. If you you think his ambient house sound is dated, I urge you to see him live. For his eponymous album last year (the first in something like 12 years), he recruited a bunch of African musicians to do a Mali-influenced sound. I think the album is pretty good, but live, his show is fucking great. His band is from all over (I caught Mali, Senegal, Martinique, Guadeloupe, and there were many other countries represented). And they are TIGHT. Anyway, it got me thinking about the cross-pollination between U.S. funk and African sounds in the 70s. James Brown was informing Fela's music and vice versa, and all over Africa (and especially in Nigeria), an American-sounding funk scene was blossoming. Fortunately, a lot of it has been captured and released (or re-released) in various compilation albums. This one is from a band called the Sahara All Stars of Jos, and is called "Take Your Soul." Your Africa-inspired Daily Dose of Funk:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt1w...&nohtml5=False
Have I mentioned how much I enjoy this Daily Dose of Funk mission you have undertaken? "Musical Education Flower" is one of my favorite versions of the 32 flavors (and then some) that is The Pretty Little Flower.

Would it be cliched old white guy of me to mention that "Graceland" was my first experience in knowing that an American album included and had been influenced by the music of African Africans (as opposed to African Americans, a fact that even I was aware of)?

Probably, but this just goes to show you what you are dealing with. Anyway, thanks!

Pretty Little Flower 04-12-2016 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 500325)
Have I mentioned how much I enjoy this Daily Dose of Funk mission you have undertaken? "Musical Education Flower" is one of my favorite versions of the 32 flavors (and then some) that is The Pretty Little Flower.

Would it be cliched old white guy of me to mention that "Graceland" was my first experience in knowing that an American album included and had been influenced by the music of African Africans (as opposed to African Americans, a fact that even I was aware of)?

Probably, but this just goes to show you what you are dealing with. Anyway, thanks!
You have mentioned it, but thanks. Graceland was 1986? I don't think I was listening to much if any African music at the time, and I was certainly introduced to Ladysmith Black Mambazo by that album. So no shame there as far as I am concerned.

Not Bob 04-12-2016 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 500330)
You have mentioned it, but thanks. Graceland was 1986? I don't think I was listening to much if any African music at the time, and I was certainly introduced to Ladysmith Black Mambazo by that album. So no shame there as far as I am concerned.
Yes, 1986. And it was a bit controversial because he recorded it in Johannesburg in violation of the cultural boycott* of apartheid-era South Africa that was in effect at the time. But for a good reason, perhaps? I don't know.

*See e.g. "I ain't gonna play Sun City!"

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-12-2016 05:35 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500323)
And the only people answering those polls are the most ardent Bernie supporters. Everyone else isn't trying to waste their time with those fucking things.

TM
To be fair, those people are justifiably angry that their candidate has had this election stolen from him by all those people voting against him.

LessinSF 04-12-2016 05:37 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 500332)
Yes, 1986. And it was a bit controversial because he recorded it in Johannesburg in violation of the cultural boycott* of apartheid-era South Africa that was in effect at the time. But for a good reason, perhaps? I don't know.

*See e.g. "I ain't gonna play Sun City!"
In your Eyes by Gabriel with Youssou N'Dour was also 1986.

notcasesensitive 04-12-2016 08:27 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 500330)
You have mentioned it, but thanks. Graceland was 1986? I don't think I was listening to much if any African music at the time, and I was certainly introduced to Ladysmith Black Mambazo by that album. So no shame there as far as I am concerned.
I went to a dj show at the beginning of the year and the guy behind Awesome Tapes From Africa was one of the djs. The music varied wildly in sound and quality (as random tapes from a bunch of artists in a bunch countries is bound to do) but when it was good, it was great.

Here's an (old) article where the guy talks about the project and some of his concerns about promoting vs. profiting from:

http://www.thewire.co.uk/in-writing/...ian-shimkovitz

Pretty Little Flower 04-12-2016 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by notcasesensitive (Post 500335)
I went to a dj show at the beginning of the year and the guy behind Awesome Tapes From Africa was one of the djs. The music varied wildly in sound and quality (as random tapes from a bunch of artists in a bunch countries is bound to do) but when it was good, it was great.

Here's an (old) article where the guy talks about the project and some of his concerns about promoting vs. profiting from:

http://www.thewire.co.uk/in-writing/...ian-shimkovitz
Thank you! Yeah, ATFA, Analog Africa, Strut Records, etc. -- there is so much old African music coming out. I understand his ambivalence, but as a fan of African music and his project in particular, I hope he keeps on keeping' on.

Hank Chinaski 04-12-2016 09:40 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz or Donald Trump Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 500336)
Thank you! Yeah, ATFA, Analog Africa, Strut Records, etc. -- there is so much old African music coming out. I understand his ambivalence, but as a fan of African music and his project in particular, I hope he keeps on keeping' on.
until you show knowledge of 70s reggae I kinda think your sushi skills=music skills? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uds2JNoqsvc First time you heard?

Pretty Little Flower 04-12-2016 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 500337)
until you show knowledge of 70s reggae I kinda think your sushi skills=music skills? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uds2JNoqsvc First time you heard?
First, I don't care what you think. Second, I don't care what you think. Third, see points 1 and 2. Finally, I am probably as open-minded as anyone on this board when it comes to music, and I hate to seem like a ferrets-type crank, but I call bullshit on reggae. The only themes are smoking pot, legalizing pot, being high on pot, and the inexplicable worship of some Ethiopian emperor as the messiah. I am certainly not hostile to the first three themes, but not when they are the ONLY THINGS YOU SING ABOUT. And the music itself is beyond simplistic -- it is basic and repetitive to the point of being moronic. Sure, the constant chicka chicka of the guitar can seem soothing if you are too high to get up off the couch (been there), but that is the beginning and the end of the usefulness of this genre of music.

Tyrone Slothrop 04-12-2016 10:30 PM
Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 500313)
But the basic rule is clear. It takes a majority of the delegates to win on the first ballot. Period.
So, two things. One is that Trump has been slumping lately, so the idea of giving the nomination to someone else fits with the momentum which drives the latest coverage. But if he picks up some wins, then that logic will suddenly resonate less.

The other is that the basic rule you describe is certainly clear for anyone who cares about process, but I think most voters go with the idea that whoever gets the most votes wins. If Trump is leader -- delegates, votes, whatever, if Cruz doesn't catch him -- and then doesn't get the nomination, that is going to sit very poorly with a lot of people who are Republicans in the sense that they voted in the GOP primaries and caucuses.


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