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ltl/fb 07-09-2003 04:10 PM

Guy wakes from 19 year coma
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
I know you'll hate hearing this, but you've grown quite funny now that you pick and choose when and why you're being vapid.

TM
I was initially kind of happy, but then I realized this is like when a roommate in college complimented my shoes -- I was happy until I realized how she dressed (ugh) probably reflected her taste in clothes.

I'm starting to suspect you are the motherfucker who sent the phantom PM. Bastard.

If I keep posting at this rate all week, you will hate me by the end of it.

fufu 07-09-2003 04:11 PM

Guy wakes from 19 year coma
 
Quote:

Originally posted by purse junkie
You're right. For example, your many posts regarding your own genitals should humble us all.
So eloquently written, PJ.

Not Bob 07-09-2003 04:12 PM

She put his picture in her _______.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Wow. NB. I was Not Aware. Blush. Whenever I read your posts, I have the totally narcissitic tendency to picture myself in a black beehive with heavy kohl eyeliner and really jaunty psychedile scarves in my hair and around my neck. I am on a seventies game show filling in blanks with a blue card.
Sadly, I could not find a picture of any of Joanne Worley's appearances on Match Game '74. Lots of pictures of CNR and Brett Somers, though.

leagleaze 07-09-2003 04:15 PM

Fun with Editing...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
What the heck kind of lesbian are you? If you are going to perform services for someone, do it for a WOman, not a man.
Your efforts to put me in your stereotypical lesbian box cause me angst.

(You decide whether the pun was intended.)

Shape Shifter 07-09-2003 04:16 PM

Stonehenge = Female Genitalia
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
Closely guarded by huge gap-toothed men, and completely frigid?
Isn't there also something involving periods and pads?

NotFromHere 07-09-2003 04:16 PM

Guy wakes from 19 year coma
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ltl/fb
I was initially kind of happy, but then I realized this is like when a roommate in college complimented my shoes -- I was happy until I realized how she dressed (ugh) probably reflected her taste in clothes.

I'm starting to suspect you are the motherfucker who sent the phantom PM. Bastard.

If I keep posting at this rate all week, you will hate me by the end of it.
That ship has sailed.

leagleaze 07-09-2003 04:16 PM

Dilemma
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Leagl: "It's not like 'L.A. Law'."

Student: "L.A. WHAT ?"
Silly, they watch it in reruns. Don't you know anything?

robustpuppy 07-09-2003 04:18 PM

Avatar commentary
 
Quote:

Originally posted by NotFromHere
That ship has sailed.
Your new avatar is both disturbing and compelling. Is it an athlete dressed as Icarus for Halloween?

Tyrone Slothrop 07-09-2003 04:19 PM

Idiots ruin it for everyone
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
The New York airports have done this for years. I think it's more of a traffic issue than terrorist action precaution.
The apparent intention being to create bad traffic by forcing everyone to keep circling the airport. Then we'll all say, fuck it, the next person who flies in is taking a cab to my house.

NotFromHere 07-09-2003 04:24 PM

Dilemma
 
Quote:

Originally posted by leagleaze
I get this a lot. If I know the young person I spend some time thinking about whether that person has a personality that fits being a lawyer. Of course there are many personality types but I find there are certain traits that need to be there, especially in a litigator.

When I speak with the person, if I feel her or she has those traits I discuss that with em. I also discuss the pros and cons of the practice. The fact it isn't like it seems on law and order or la law, that much of it is drudgery. I always talk with them about different options. I ask them why they think they want to go to law school, what they expect out of it, what they hope to accomplish with their careers.

If after talking with the person I think it is a very bad idea that he or she go to law school, I have no problem telling them directly that I think this. And I always tell the person who asks me to talk to the young person that I will not hesitate to tell them this if it looks to me like he or she wants to go for the wrong reason or it becomes clear to me that it would be a big mistake. I make sure they understand this and tell them if they don't want the risk that someone will say this to their child, then they best ask someone else to discuss it with them. If on the other hand I know the child and think he or she will fit, obviously, that warning is not needed.

What traits would those be? Can you tolerate endless hours of reading and highlighting, losing your social life, in debt for the better part of the rest of it, lack of pigmentation due to being stuck indoors on beautiful days, chronic addiction to alcohol and caffeine? She (I think it's his daughter) just kind of decided that she wanted to do this. I really don't want to discourage her if she really really wants to do this. I'm hoping that the LSAT/application process discourages her. I don't want to be the one who gets blamed later (I could have been a lawyer and YOU talked me out of it).

What I would like to know is how deeply to go into the economy, job prospects (since I don't know what they are) and pay. Is that appropriate, or should I just tell her the process and how much is sucks to be in law school and study for the bar?

ltl/fb 07-09-2003 04:25 PM

Guy wakes from 19 year coma
 
Quote:

Originally posted by NotFromHere
That ship has sailed.
LOL, silly, I want TM to be annoyed.

Is your avatar the Victor's Secret guy?

ThurgreedMarshall 07-09-2003 04:27 PM

Idiots ruin it for everyone
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Tyrone_Slothrop
The apparent intention being to create bad traffic by forcing everyone to keep circling the airport. Then we'll all say, fuck it, the next person who flies in is taking a cab to my house.
I think that's the way it should always be. The pain heaped on the person picking you up isn't worth the convenience to the person being picked up.

In NYC, there really is a big difference. When the cops aren't around to tell the cabs and limos to keep it moving, traffic is backed up for a mile. They don't understand the concept of pulling to the side to let people out. They just stop wherever they please (or they don't pull up close behind someone who is unloading or wait for someone near the curb or double parked to move, so they stop in the third lane) and everyone behind them is fucked.

Their behavior at airports fits with my "cabbies are scum" theory.

TM

leagleaze 07-09-2003 04:27 PM

Dilemma
 
Quote:

Originally posted by NotFromHere


What I would like to know is how deeply to go into the economy, job prospects (since I don't know what they are) and pay. Is that appropriate, or should I just tell her the process and how much is sucks to be in law school and study for the bar?
I think it is appropriate to be honest, but at the same time it sounds like this girl hasn't given it too much thought and it is difficult to have a terribly serious conversation with someone who has just decided to go to law school.

You might mention some of the difficulties people are having, a little bit perhaps on the cycle of layoffs that seems to have started in the early 90s and is now repeating itself. Let her know that law school isn't easy and neither is the bar. I'd advise her to begin the process of applying, but also, ask her to think about what it is she expects once she has completed the education. What she sees herself doing. Get her to think a little more about the fact that this is a serious choice, and very different from college.

robustpuppy 07-09-2003 04:28 PM

She put his picture in her _______.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Not Bob
Sadly, I could not find a picture of any of Joanne Worley's appearances on Match Game '74. Lots of pictures of CNR and Brett Somers, though.
Of Match Game celebrities I think Paigow is more like Brett than like Joanne anyway. Joanne was just goofy and high pitched. Brett was worldlier, saltier, and quicker-witted. Yes, that's meant as a compliment.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-09-2003 04:29 PM

Idiots ruin it for everyone
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ThurgreedMarshall
When the cops aren't around to tell the cabs and limos to keep it moving, traffic is backed up for a mile. They don't understand the concept of pulling to the side to let people out. They just stop wherever they please (or they don't pull up close behind someone who is unloading or wait for someone near the curb or double parked to move, so they stop in the third lane) and everyone behind them is fucked.

They need a big holding pen for taxis, as they have in DC. They release them a few at a time, as the taxi queue grows. They need something similar for cars. A big waiting lot, just offsite, where passengers can call their pick-ups and say "I'm here; come get me" Which is what I do anyway these days--just call me when you arrive; I'll be parked 3 minutes away. I just have to find some spot to wait in.

NotFromHere 07-09-2003 04:30 PM

Avatar commentary
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Your new avatar is both disturbing and compelling. Is it an athlete dressed as Icarus for Halloween?
I was wondering when someone would ask about that. It's my 4th avatar today.

It's actually "The Famous Bret Boone Angel Picture." see it here
If you google, you will see various versions of it. And since Bret is going to the All Star Game this year, I thought I'd add the pic and not change the tag line. Bret has many many obsessive chick fans who obessively post websites about him. Originally it was claimed to be him (he's got a really hot bod), but he says it's not - there's too much body hair. Anyway, obsessive chick admits to too much free time and PhotoShop alteration. But it's been around the web for awhile.

evenodds 07-09-2003 04:30 PM

Dilemma
 
I think it's smart to talk to her realistically about what it means to practice law, since that's what she wants to know.

Talk about what a work week is like, the different types of jobs people can have with a law degree, the debt load, the income potential.

Don't dissuade her. Just let her know what it feels like to go to law school and to be a lawyer.

Apropos of Nothing 07-09-2003 04:31 PM

Fashionably late lunch.
 
Apro...uh, I just thought that I would point out that a good roast beef sandwich really is tastier when one uses real horseradish.

Carry on.

Atticus Grinch 07-09-2003 04:32 PM

Dilemma
 
Quote:

Originally posted by NotFromHere
What I would like to know is how deeply to go into the economy, job prospects (since I don't know what they are) and pay. Is that appropriate, or should I just tell her the process and how much is sucks to be in law school and study for the bar?
If we only warn about the difficulties of law school and the bar, we encourage people to waste three years for what's behind Door No. 2.

I answered a similar question by a college student on my local FL board. If you agree with any of that post, feel free to use it as your own. I'm not into plagiarism witch hunts.

bilmore 07-09-2003 04:32 PM

Dilemma
 
Quote:

Originally posted by evenodds
Don't dissuade her. Just let her know what it feels like to go to law school and to be a lawyer.
"Don't hurt her. Just stab her with sharp knives"?

Replaced_Texan 07-09-2003 04:33 PM

Avatar commentary
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Your new avatar is both disturbing and compelling. Is it an athlete dressed as Icarus for Halloween?
One of my brother's old boyfriends took him to New Orleans for Halloween a few years ago, and apparently he (the boyfriend, not my brother, who went as the Braveheart guy that year) had a similar tighty whitie with wings costume. Having no where to put it, the boyfriend gave my brother his wallet to hold for the evening, and they proceeded to get exceedingly drunk at a series of parties. Inevitably, they got separated and my brother assumed that he'd meet up with boyfriend at the hotel eventually. Boyfriend forgot where the hotel was and spent several early morning hours wandering around the streets New Orleans in a pair of tighty whities and some wings looking for something familiar. They broke up soon thereafter.

paigowprincess 07-09-2003 04:35 PM

She put his picture in her _______.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Of Match Game celebrities I think Paigow is more like Brett than like Joanne anyway. Joanne was just goofy and high pitched. Brett was worldlier, saltier, and quicker-witted. Yes, that's meant as a compliment.
And she definitely had the cool sunglasses. Worn inside. If I hadnt quit smoking, I woud say thats me in thirty years. Complete with the ascotted homosexual sidekick. Plus, she married Jack Klugman who I always found inexclicably sexy .

NotFromHere 07-09-2003 04:36 PM

Dilemma
 
Quote:

Originally posted by leagleaze
I think it is appropriate to be honest, but at the same time it sounds like this girl hasn't given it too much thought and it is difficult to have a terribly serious conversation with someone who has just decided to go to law school.

You might mention some of the difficulties people are having, a little bit perhaps on the cycle of layoffs that seems to have started in the early 90s and is now repeating itself. Let her know that law school isn't easy and neither is the bar. I'd advise her to begin the process of applying, but also, ask her to think about what it is she expects once she has completed the education. What she sees herself doing. Get her to think a little more about the fact that this is a serious choice, and very different from college.
Thanks, this is really helpful. I know that I thought about law school a lot before I actually began the application process. But once I started I was going to finish even though mom tried to talk me out of it. I'll try to figure out how seriously she wants to go - of if it's just the thought of lots of $$ (people think we make lots of $$ for some reason - forgetting that $800/month student loan).

purse junkie 07-09-2003 04:42 PM

She put his picture in her _______.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by paigowprincess
Jack Klugman who I always found inexclicably sexy .
Now that's just disturbing.

Did you just call me Coltrane? 07-09-2003 04:42 PM

Avatar commentary
 
Quote:

Originally posted by NotFromHere
I was wondering when someone would ask about that. It's my 4th avatar today.

It's actually "The Famous Bret Boone Angel Picture." see it here
If you google, you will see various versions of it. And since Bret is going to the All Star Game this year, I thought I'd add the pic and not change the tag line. Bret has many many obsessive chick fans who obessively post websites about him. Originally it was claimed to be him (he's got a really hot bod), but he says it's not - there's too much body hair. Anyway, obsessive chick admits to too much free time and PhotoShop alteration. But it's been around the web for awhile.
Somewhat apropos, but I have NO desire to bring back the steroid discussion: People may accuse McGwire, Bonds and Sosa of 'roids, but Bret Boone is the guy who I will bet the farm is juicing. His HR numbers and size increased impossibly a few years back. He made the skinny Sosa/Bonds to huge Sosa/Bonds transition seem mild.

Replaced_Texan 07-09-2003 04:42 PM

Dilemma
 
Quote:

Originally posted by evenodds
I think it's smart to talk to her realistically about what it means to practice law, since that's what she wants to know.

Talk about what a work week is like, the different types of jobs people can have with a law degree, the debt load, the income potential.

Don't dissuade her. Just let her know what it feels like to go to law school and to be a lawyer.
I've had three people come to me in the last two years to ask seriously about it. One is in law school and hates it, one just took the LSATS, and the other (I think) has decided not to go.

I've generally talked about my day and made sure that they know what to expect. I've also explained what law school was like for me, and what I liked and didn't like.

I'm pretty sure that my forwarding that Onion article about the 23 year old mail room guy in BigLaw and the accompanying discussion on the GA boards that convinced the guy who decided not to go.

Not Bob 07-09-2003 04:43 PM

She put his picture in her _______.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Of Match Game celebrities I think Paigow is more like Brett than like Joanne anyway. Joanne was just goofy and high pitched. Brett was worldlier, saltier, and quicker-witted. Yes, that's meant as a compliment.
I wouldn't presume to argue with you. The whole thing started when I posted (at the old place? who knows) about a dream I had in which I spent the afternoon with paigow at the bar of a snowed-in airport, and she looked (in my dream) like a young Joanne Worley.

At least I think that it was Joanne Worley. Now I am trying to find a picture of Ms. Worley circa 1973-74 to make sure that she is who I saw on the Game Show Network and is therefore who paigow looked like.

Sparklehorse 07-09-2003 04:54 PM

She put his picture in her _______.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by paigowprincess
And she definitely had the cool sunglasses. Worn inside. If I hadnt quit smoking, I woud say thats me in thirty years. Complete with the ascotted homosexual sidekick. Plus, she married Jack Klugman who I always found inexclicably sexy .
Aw, you just think that cuz they live(d) in Fairfield County.

Edited to add that I know this factoid because I have a college friend who was a childhood pal of one of their kids.

robustpuppy 07-09-2003 04:54 PM

Dilemma
 
Quote:

Originally posted by NotFromHere
Thanks, this is really helpful. I know that I thought about law school a lot before I actually began the application process. But once I started I was going to finish even though mom tried to talk me out of it. I'll try to figure out how seriously she wants to go - of if it's just the thought of lots of $$ (people think we make lots of $$ for some reason - forgetting that $800/month student loan).
Unless she has a benefactor who will pay, I would emphasize the debt burden. Other people she talks to will likely treat that as an afterthought, reasoning that "educational debt is good debt" and "as a lawyer your earning potential will be so much greater." Very few people will say before she goes to law school that both the debt and the earning potential will seriously limit her freedom, but as we all know she'll find plenty of people to commiserate about that reality after she graduates. And I venture that nobody will talk about opportunity costs -- not just in terms of lost earnings while in law school, but lost time to explore other careers, make other contacts, be young, have fun, go on reality shows.

Lots of us go to law school because we don't want to have to "struggle" professionally -- and by struggle, I mean endure low pay, work one's way up, and make one's own path. We just trade that uncertain struggle for this allegedly more certain and secure one.

If it were me, I would take the "this is your face on drugs" picture series that we were given a link to yesterday, and change the captions to say "this is your face after 10 years in law.*"

"*Assuming you don't have a good dermatologist and plastic surgeon, which in 10 years you will easily be able to afford as your loans will finally be paid off."

That said, I have tried and failed to talk people out of going to law school. Prospective law students are a stubborn fucking bunch.

LessinSF 07-09-2003 04:56 PM

A Real Dilemna
 
Boarding House
90 minute Paradise Hotel
Big Brother 4
Cupid

are all on tonight. What's a lame-ass to do?

donkey 07-09-2003 04:59 PM

Dilemma
 
Quote:

Originally posted by robustpuppy
Very few people will say before she goes to law school that both the debt and the earning potential will seriously limit her freedom
"Alas," said the mouse, "the world is growing smaller every day. At the beginning it was so big that I was afraid, I kept running and running, and I was glad when at last I saw walls far away to the right and left, but these long walls have narrowed so quickly that I am in the last chamber already, and there in the corner stands the trap that I must run into," "You only need to change your direction," said the cat, and ate it up.
-Kafka

evenodds 07-09-2003 05:02 PM

A Real Dilemna
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LessinSF
Boarding House
90 minute Paradise Hotel
Big Brother 4
Cupid

are all on tonight. What's a lame-ass to do?
You should report to us on Paradise Hotel. I have never seen it, so what's the deal with the show.

Even(bike racing for me)Odds

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-09-2003 05:02 PM

A Real Dilemna
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LessinSF
Boarding House
90 minute Paradise Hotel
Big Brother 4
Cupid

are all on tonight. What's a lame-ass to do?
watch some porn.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 07-09-2003 05:05 PM

A Real Dilemna
 
Quote:

Originally posted by evenodds

Even(bike racing for me)Odds
Is it as exciting the second time around? (I'm watching my tape of the coverage).

BTW, I watched the running of the bulls coverage the other night. One host was Brett Haber, a noted third-rate sportscaster. Another was some Jay guy who I'd never heard of. His sole apparent contribution is that he's been the the Festival of St. Fermin 9 times. He's never run with the bulls, however, which kind of robs him of any inside knowledge. Although he's happy to tell you what an awesome party the whole thing is.

Note to paigow: think Masshole to picture this guy.

greatwhitenorthchick 07-09-2003 05:10 PM

Stonehenge = Female Genitalia
 
Quote:

Originally posted by bilmore
Closely guarded by huge gap-toothed men, and completely frigid?
Yes indeedy. His analysis was spot on.

NotFromHere 07-09-2003 05:13 PM

A Real Dilemna
 
Quote:

Originally posted by LessinSF
Boarding House
90 minute Paradise Hotel
Big Brother 4
Cupid

are all on tonight. What's a lame-ass to do?
Go out and get yourself a dual tuner Tivo. Don't know about Boarding house, but I'm recording the other 3 tonight.

evenodds 07-09-2003 05:15 PM

A Real Dilemna
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.)
Is it as exciting the second time around? (I'm watching my tape of the coverage).

BTW, I watched the running of the bulls coverage the other night. One host was Brett Haber, a noted third-rate sportscaster.
Yes, it is better. No commercials and you can back the tape up and rewatch the crashes.

Brett Haber is so unbelievably awful, it is hard for me to watch summer sportszone.

Here's a sign you watch too much OLN: you fail to turn off a beagling contest and find yourself strangely captivated.

Shape Shifter 07-09-2003 05:27 PM

Dilemma
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
I'm not into plagiarism witch hunts.
I should hope not. Plagiarism is "IN."

NotFromHere 07-09-2003 05:32 PM

Avatar commentary
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Did you just call me Coltrane?
Somewhat apropos, but I have NO desire to bring back the steroid discussion: People may accuse McGwire, Bonds and Sosa of 'roids, but Bret Boone is the guy who I will bet the farm is juicing. His HR numbers and size increased impossibly a few years back. He made the skinny Sosa/Bonds to huge Sosa/Bonds transition seem mild.
Really? Hmm. He says it was his new personal trainer.
But yeah, he came back from the winter break 25-45 lbs heavier and rock solid 3 years ago and then proceeded to have his best year ever. Barry says if it was only roids, then everyone would be doing roids and hitting 80 homers a year.

Not as drastic as Sosa though - if you see his "before" pictures, it's quite a significant change.

NotFromHere 07-09-2003 05:36 PM

Dilemma
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Atticus Grinch
If we only warn about the difficulties of law school and the bar, we encourage people to waste three years for what's behind Door No. 2.

I answered a similar question by a college student on my local FL board. If you agree with any of that post, feel free to use it as your own. I'm not into plagiarism witch hunts.
That was good reading. It lends a different perspective to the question - "what's being a lawyer like?" I like the viewpoint of being a lawyer is like a business, but not really. As long as I have your permission, I'll raise those points in the phone call I have not yet received from said person wanting to go to lawschool.

Perhaps I should raise the issue that time is important and deadlines are a way of life, and if you're going to expect someone to wait around for your damn phone call all day, well.......then...... I guess someday you'll make partner.


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