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Adder 04-20-2016 11:35 AM

Re: Independents
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 500483)
I disagree with the notion that it is "undemocratic" to exclude people who did not register for a party in the voting for the party's nominee.

Because you've bought in to the notion that a party is something you register for. Why should it be? You don't have to "register" to volunteer, give money or vote in the general election. Why should the party want to restrict this particular form of participation in this way?

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To me, that's like saying that it is undemocratic to preclude legal residents, who have chosen not to become US citizens, to vote.
It is undemocratic. That doesn't make it inappropriate.

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And if independents should have the "democratic" right to vote in whatever primary they choose, why shouldn't anyone else?
1. Who said anything about "right?"

2. Yes, it should be open to everyone.

ThurgreedMarshall 04-20-2016 11:41 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 500479)
So, it turns out that using the name of a large state as an insult isn't the best way to secure votes in that state. Who knew?

What a dumbass. He had no shot here anyway, but why piss us off to show your already lunatic supporters that you hate New York [Jewish] values? So stupid.

This dude got clowned in New York, from the Bronx hand-shakes to the big money sit-downs. Fuck outta here!

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 04-20-2016 11:48 AM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 500480)
"I took it home that night and analyzed it
Rewound the tape over and over, and memorized it."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u68UmIY0lFQ

https://youtu.be/MCoAwpQagm0?t=50s

Make a nigga say, "Where rewind at?"

Back when you could listen to Mase lyrics (because Biggie wrote them all).

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-20-2016 12:26 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 500479)
So, it turns out that using the name of a large state as an insult isn't the best way to secure votes in that state. Who knew?


Has anyone heard from SEC Chick? I worry.

If only NY could have KO'd Cruz without supporting Trump....

Oh well. Drop a house on one witch, get the other with a pail of water....

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-20-2016 12:29 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500486)
What a dumbass. He had no shot here anyway, but why piss us off to show your already lunatic supporters that you hate New York [Jewish] values? So stupid.

This dude got clowned in New York, from the Bronx hand-shakes to the big money sit-downs. Fuck outta here!

TM

Asshole has no clue about this country. He lives a small-minded, hellish little world of white country club texans.

ThurgreedMarshall 04-20-2016 01:22 PM

Re: Independents
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 500485)
Because you've bought in to the notion that a party is something you register for. Why should it be? You don't have to "register" to volunteer, give money or vote in the general election. Why should the party want to restrict this particular form of participation in this way?



It is undemocratic. That doesn't make it inappropriate.



1. Who said anything about "right?"

2. Yes, it should be open to everyone.

Why have primaries at all?

Hell, if we wanted to get rid of our current two-party system, this would do it pretty quickly.

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 04-20-2016 01:23 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 500489)
Asshole has no clue about this country. He lives a small-minded, hellish little world of white country club texans.

And Goldman Sachs mixers?

TM

Adder 04-20-2016 01:55 PM

Re: Independents
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500490)
Why have primaries at all?

Hell, if we wanted to get rid of our current two-party system, this would do it pretty quickly.

TM

Except that there are states (and DC, btw) already do it this way and don't seem to have their parties collapse.

Heck, Minnesota does for non-presidential nominations. There are rumors of cross-over movements, but they never amount to much.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-20-2016 01:58 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 500491)
And Goldman Sachs mixers?

TM

If you're doing GS mixers for diversity, you have a problem.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 04-20-2016 02:01 PM

Re: Independents
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 500492)
Except that there are states (and DC, btw) already do it this way and don't seem to have their parties collapse.

Heck, Minnesota does for non-presidential nominations. There are rumors of cross-over movements, but they never amount to much.

Right now, Presidentials get tested under about 20 different sets of rules among all kinds of electorates. Every time I look at an alternative, I see the advantage of the diversity of rules.

Over on TM's FB page, one of the Berners was advocating a national primary on a single day, not stopping to think that that would be won by the biggest media buy and most established candidate - no chance for an outsider to build up a head of steam, compete in a bunch of smaller venues before hitting the big time.

If I could make changes, I might get rid of caucuses and I'd put some more diverse but still small states up front (maybe Rhode Island and Louisiana instead of NH and Iowa, for example). But I'd let different states make up their own rules for primaries.

Adder 04-20-2016 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 500494)
Right now, Presidentials get tested under about 20 different sets of rules among all kinds of electorates. Every time I look at an alternative, I see the advantage of the diversity of rules.

Hm. What's the advantage? Like market-place-of-ideas or something? Otherwise, it's hard to see the advantage in diversity other than tipping the playing field toward the party insiders who know how to work them. That may or may not be an advantage, depending on your point of view.

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Over on TM's FB page, one of the Berners was advocating a national primary on a single day, not stopping to think that that would be won by the biggest media buy and most established candidate - no chance for an outsider to build up a head of steam, compete in a bunch of smaller venues before hitting the big time.
Yeah, its the sort of thing that sounds good before you think about it too much.

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If I could make changes, I might get rid of caucuses and I'd put some more diverse but still small states up front (maybe Rhode Island and Louisiana instead of NH and Iowa, for example). But I'd let different states make up their own rules for primaries.
It's not up to me, and states can pick their own rules, but I'd still suggest that the best option is an open primary, perhaps with the order rotating among states.

Sidd Finch 04-20-2016 02:39 PM

Re: Independents
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 500492)
Except that there are states (and DC, btw) already do it this way and don't seem to have their parties collapse.

Heck, Minnesota does for non-presidential nominations. There are rumors of cross-over movements, but they never amount to much.

California does it for non-presidential elections too. But in the presidential primaries, independents can vote in the Dem primary but not the Republican, and no cross-over voters.

Given California's size and the general scheduling of the primaries, I could see a situation where one party has a certain candidate and people cross-over just to vote for the weaker candidate in the other party. Could that happen in big enough numbers to matter? I don't know -- but with the GOP structure, where every district elects three delegates, even a small percentage of cross-over Dems/independents could swamp the registered Republicans in certain districts.

I think party registration should mean something, but more importantly I think that the states have enough differences that there should not be a one-size-fits-all solution.

But I would toss caucuses out the window.

Sidd Finch 04-20-2016 02:40 PM

Re: Independents
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 500495)
with the order rotating among states.

Yes, this. The out-sized influence of Iowa is ridiculous.

ThurgreedMarshall 04-20-2016 02:59 PM

Re: Independents
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 500497)
Yes, this. The out-sized influence of Iowa is ridiculous.

Yes. I think we've all had our fill of corn at this point.

TM

sebastian_dangerfield 04-20-2016 03:07 PM

Re: Is Ted Cruz Satan? Discuss.
 
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Originally Posted by Sidd Finch (Post 500479)
So, it turns out that using the name of a large state as an insult isn't the best way to secure votes in that state. Who knew?


Has anyone heard from SEC Chick? I worry.

Cruz is now mathematically incapable of securing the necessary delegates. And in a brokered convention, its Trump or Kasich (Kasich is the only alternative to Trump, as polling shows him beating Hillary, while polling shows Cruz getting killed by her).

Goodbye, Ted.


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