LawTalkers - Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!

I have apologized to Penske for thinking he might be she, and he apologized to me for the same.

I am not apologizing to Hank. I'm still not sure - there are some uncommon similarities.

sebastian_dangerfield

11-13-2013 12:31 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 484377)

Once again, you are living in your own world. Stalking, and more specifically, cyberstalking are crimes.

TM

Calling someone a whore on Facebook is not cyberstalking. Nor is organizing a group of people to do so.

sebastian_dangerfield

11-13-2013 12:55 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 484370)

Sorry to get sucked back into this, but this is not true. It is an untrue statement, just as I suspect it is untrue that your high school was the one place in the history of the fucking world where anti-gay slurs resulted in ostracization of the slur-speaker by a noble and united band of wise-beyond-their-years students.

Show me the law that prohibits me from going on your Facebook page, and inciting others to do so, and writing, "Flower will let anyone pollinate him. Anyway. Total whore... And ugly, too."

We really did have a couple gay kids, somewhat flaming in one instance, in the school and nobody picked on them. Maybe it was an odd school. I don't know. My suspicion is the bullies didn't pick on these kids because the kids weren't even on the bullies' radar, and these kids were so harmless anyone going out of his way to attack them would look like an enormous asshole. The few bullies I knew in HS were interested first and foremost in remaining popular and getting laid. A guy who beats the shit out a fragile kid in the theater club turns off a lot of girls.

sebastian_dangerfield

11-13-2013 12:56 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 484416)

Reminder to Sebastian: Apology still owing.

I am not sorry.

sebastian_dangerfield

11-13-2013 01:03 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 484408)

The last time we all (or at least you and me) engaged her until we decided not to. I remember it was a July 1, that was the day we stopped.

"A woman needs a man a career and a child or she is just bitter." You have to sort of admire the beauty of her ugliness.

I engaged in PMs with her and invited her, I believe, to show me her breasts (or her ass... or one of the two, or maybe both). This was tenuously accepted. Then I think it was Not Bob who sent me a PM suggesting I was going too far with things.

Never violating the advice of the Tom Hagen of the board, I stopped replying to her PMs.

This did not discourage her from sending many more PMs, as I recall.

Disclaimer: I like to drink.

sebastian_dangerfield

11-13-2013 01:09 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!

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Originally Posted by bold_n_brazen (Post 484421)

There was the whole thing about how I was a terrible mother because I was divorced too. That one I don't think I'll ever forget.

The exchange about how her family exclusively drove Benz SUVs was the pinnacle. That was so close to the "Shut it off-- Shut it off! It's too embarrassing!" line. And yet so satisfying from a rubbernecker perspective, I could never have ignored it.

I still feel like somehow it was all subconscious irony. It had to be.

Hank Chinaski

11-13-2013 01:36 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!

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Originally Posted by Did you just call me Coltrane? (Post 484439)

I initially thought she was a brilliant troll.

Maybe she was.

Think. About. It.

"Initially?" Paigow was posting here back when you was still sucking on your mama's titty, hell back when I was still sucking at Atticus's sister's titties.

Did you just call me Coltrane?

11-13-2013 01:44 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 484447)

"Initially?" Paigow was posting here back when you was still sucking on your mama's titty, hell back when I was still sucking at Atticus's sister's titties.

Oh, I was referring to ppnyc. Paigow was a brilliant troll. A master of that craft. A master at baiting. A supreme master baiter.

ETA: whoa - sorry about that. One of my dad's jokes stole my login.

Hank Chinaski

11-13-2013 01:45 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!

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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 484426)

Huh?

Anyhoo, if I may put my Serious Flower hat* on for a moment, Hank's comment about a former poster, and the following posts, triggered my once-every-couple-of-months session of Really Deep Thoughts about that whole FB shonda.

I'm mainly sure that I'm mostly correct when I say that by trying to be "nice" to all involved in the back and forth, I actually ended up making things much worse for those involved. (Yes, worse for her, too.)

I've wrestled with this conclusion a bit.** Looking back, I'm not sure how I should have handled things. Or whether I had any responsibility or right or whatever to try to be the Niceness Police. But I am sure that what I did made things worse.

And I don't like that. I don't like that there are people*** who I truly like and respect who were hurt because of some comments that I enabled.

Alright-y then. Carry on.

*Although I am attempting to make amusing comments, I am very serious in this post.

**True, not as much as I wrestle with, say, the perils of complimenting the hair of a Starbucks Latte Technician -- but more than I wrestle with the issue of Knob Creek versus Makers in a Manhattan. (Lately it's been Makers.)

***And by "people" I mean ... well, never mind who I mean. That person knows what I am talking about.

If you weren't nice that wouldn't be you. If she had caused NotBob himself to be mean then she would have truly damaged this board.

Hank Chinaski

11-13-2013 01:53 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 484436)

How do you feel about the fact that you were the real enabler but Penske and I get all the blame? How does that make you feel?

Translation: I like having my name mentioned as on par with Penske. If it happens enough maybe I'll make the A list!!

ThurgreedMarshall

11-13-2013 01:54 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 484442)

Calling someone a whore on Facebook is not cyberstalking. Nor is organizing a group of people to do so.

Well, that's a brilliant comeback.

If the crime already covered the problem we are discussing, we wouldn't be discussing your belief that a law couldn't possibly cover it, would we?

The question is: Is it practical or desirable to address the problem of cyberbullying through a law. Your take is that no such law could cover online harrassment (threats, defamation, etc.). Clearly that is not true because I just gave you an example of a law that does, in fact, address such problems.

I think what you mean to say is that, when it comes to cyber-bullying, even though it is very similar to cyberstalking, a law criminalizing the activity wouldn't work. And then you'd have to argue (convincingly, which I'm not sure is going to happen) why exactly such a law would not work.

Let me know if you need more help.

TM

Hank Chinaski

11-13-2013 01:55 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!

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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 484441)

I have apologized to Penske for thinking he might be she, and he apologized to me for the same.

I am not apologizing to Hank. I'm still not sure - there are some uncommon similarities.

Translation: I like having my name mentioned as on par with Penske and poking fun at Hank. I'll never be more than C-list, but if I can get this going maybe some of the 75% who have me on ignore will take me off.

ThurgreedMarshall

11-13-2013 01:57 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 484443)

We really did have a couple gay kids, somewhat flaming in one instance, in the school and nobody picked on them. Maybe it was an odd school. I don't know. My suspicion is the bullies didn't pick on these kids because the kids weren't even on the bullies' radar, and these kids were so harmless anyone going out of his way to attack them would look like an enormous asshole. The few bullies I knew in HS were interested first and foremost in remaining popular and getting laid. A guy who beats the shit out a fragile kid in the theater club turns off a lot of girls.

You are either completey full of shit or completely delusional. Maybe you think bullies' interests align with yours in every way? Who fucking knows. Either way, it is pointless to discuss this with you because if you apply your stoner logic to any community in the world, bullies wouldn't exist. Everything you are writing on this topic is stupid.

TM

Hank Chinaski

11-13-2013 01:58 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!

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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 484445)

I'm sorry. We would have a naked picture of her if that interfering sop NotBob didn't be nice? Nwtaf? NotBob I take back what I said before.

Atticus Grinch

11-13-2013 02:54 PM

Re: Towards A Virtual Williamsburg!

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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 484423)

Remember when she became a dandy fop in a crushed velvet Edwardian sack suit and threatened to sue and/or expose us all to our employers?

Ah, memories.

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Originally Posted by Not Bob (Post 484426)

Huh?

My confusion was meant to be a joke but am I the only one who still remembers the episode with the guy in the burgundy velvet suit who followed a poster here after an awkward tête-à-tête on a dating website? You know, the guy who claimed to know how to Treat The Ladies but whose signature move was apparently being butthurt when people mocked him?

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