MM
 

Did you click on this link? Because if you did, you would see what I'm saying. This body with her face would not be turned down today. She looks 100 times better than paltrow in this picture:
http://www.marilynmonroe.ca/camera/galleries/costumes/

TM

Look at me, I'm a "Girl"
 

We did last year on FB naked day. Don't tell me you weren't there, dude?

not7y(I'm sure this guy has those photos on his C drive)S

New Favorite TV Show
 

The Brak Show, Aqua Teen Hungerforce and Sealab 2021 are all pretty funny, Sealab 2021 being the funniest IMHO. But also check out Harvey Birdman, Attorney at Law--I think it's sometimes the funniest of the bunch, but I'm probably biased. 15 minute segments, just like the above--one episode was a dead on satire of The Sopranos, except it starred Fred Flintstone. Check it out sometime.

Poll
 

I ventured over to Stalinboard today and caught sight of the following moniker:

Once Hugo Black

Funny, offensive, not offensive but distasteful, whaddaya think?

MM
 

Yes, I had clicked on it. I guess we'll never know.

Look at me, I'm a size Zero! Who needs clothes?
 

Taxwonk,

You're my new hero/crush. Because of this quote and because I was away for a few days and it has taken me HOURS to read what I missed on this board. Jesus, how is a person supposed to get any work done??

And no way is that picture JFF posted of C cup boobies like "she" claims she has. More evidence that it's a guy who doesn't know WTF he's talking about.

(Happy to see the etiquettist formerly known as DS has finally arrived.)

Who'd You Rather? Marilyn v. Gwenyth
 

I am saying that there is a disconnect between what fashion designers and casting agents consider sexy and what red-blooded straight men consider sexy. I see the link to MM that you keep posting, and I agree that MM looks hotter than Gwenyth Paltrow. My point, and it's a simple one, is that fashion designers and casting agents disagree with you, me, and most of heterosexual male America.

Poll
 

It took me a while to get it, too. I figured I was just slow.

Poll
 

Once Hugo Black....

um, you never go back....cough.

Poll
 

I just got it (only a bit of a delayed reaction, eh?) -- I vote "funny."

Not ("is it twue what they say about you people? [ziiiiiiiiiiiiiip] Oh, it's twue! It's twue!") Bob

Look at me, I'm a size Zero! Who needs clothes?
 

Are you saying those are B's or D's?

When I got measured for bras at Victoria's Secret, they determined my cup size by measuring under my breast and around my ribcage. Then they measured around my nipple. They subtracted the two. If the difference is 3", that is a C-cup.

I buy C cups and they fit. A B cup puts a dent in my breast and makes it look like my breasts are bulging out of the bra. A D cup is too big. That makes me a C-cup.

That model looks like a C cup to me. She might be on the small side of C, but she is definitely more than a B and less than a D.

Poll
 

This is the new contender for favorite sock of all time, vying to displace "Sock re: blue", which has been at the top of the list for a long, long time.

Appointment Television
 

Okay, quick afternoon/evening poll:

What shows do you watch, tape, or tivo every week?

My list:

Home Movies
Pardon the Interruption
American Idol
Dave Chappell Show
24
Samurai Jack

Newly added, the Summer Sports Show on OLN.
(Yay, Euro bike racing)

Traveling sucks
 

I know what you mean, happens to me all the time at my local bar and wine store. Oh, I guess that's a different kind of problem altogether.

Who'd You Rather? Marilyn v. Gwenyth
 

Okay. That makes sense. But how do you explain J Lo then? Yes, she's not fat. Yes, she has a flat stomach.

But that ass.

That is not a hollywood ass. It is at least three times the size of what you and I would consider the norm in Hollywood. Her legs are quite thick too. Not fat-thick. But thick in any way doesn't usually fit the Hollywood stereotype, right?

Beyonce has a similar build. She is being cast because that line may be shifting. It's not going to happen over night, but if Anna Nicole could magically transform herself to what she looked like in her prime, she would be up there too. Each is an example of non-stereotypical body types. Aside from Anna (who is doing "well" for a different reason), each of these women is doing quite well. I would argue that they are doing well precisely because heterosexual men like these builds (among other reasons of course).

Surely if there is a place near or at the top of Hollywood today for those body types, there would be a place for Marilyn. I can't believe I'm arguing with anyone about this. Like RT said, she is timeless. Some beauty transcends trends.

Thurgreed(Halle included)Marshall

[Editied because I have lost what little ability I had to write]

Poll
 

I am just wondering what people's reactions are to the moniker. I thought it was a clever play on words, but . . . if the expression off which it plays were not based on a racial stereotype (that is, if race were not an issue at all) it would be an excellent moniker. But if one finds the underlying expression offensive -- which may depend on the speaker and the context -- then is the moniker also offensive? Since on a chat board most people know nothing about the people behind the monikers, it's tough to judge the speaker and the context.

As I write this I am so worried about saying something offensive or ignorant or coming off as overly PC or not PC enough that I realize very few people are likely to want to discuss this and I probably never should have brought it up.

And is it disrespectful to Justice Black? Or is there some lore that he was, uh, well endowed?


Edited to say, "Or perhaps I worry too much," after posters with penises (penis envy?) piped up to vote funny.

Who'd You Rather? Marilyn v. Gwenyth
 

Non-stereotypical for caucasions of european descent. Closer to the norm for hispanics and african-americans.

Look at me, I'm a size Zero! Who needs clothes?
 

I would say those breasts are B cups. I am a C cup and FWIW, when I went to Victoria's Secret, they kept trying to give me some bras that looked like an 18-hour bra. I concluded that their bras and/or their sales process sucked and went elsewhere.

Oh, and the Hugo Black thing kinda offends me but maybe that's because I've had people say shit like that to me when I, a white woman, was dating a black man. Quite objectifying of a man I loved.

Appointment Television
 

Mainly, I watch whatever you tell me to watch. Unless there is a new episode of Buffy on, in which case, I watch that. Of course soon that will be off the air, and I will just watch what you tell me to watch.


Oh, I forgot. I watch Queer as folk. Which really isn't a very good show, but you know, desperate to see some sort of reflection so I watch it. How sad is that.


And I am too tired to decide if the Hugo thing is offensive or funny. It didn't make me laugh, but I was too thick to get it.

Who'd You Rather? Marilyn v. Gwenyth
 

I watched a clip of her new video today -- scenes from Flashdance. It was icky. She's too wide and showed the ass to poor effect.

Even(of course, I am a chick, so others may disagree)Odds

Appointment Television
 

Daily Show
Chappelle's Show
24
Malcolm in the Middle
Scrubs
West Wing
The Office
Da Ali G Show
(to name a few)

Thurgreed(unfortunately, or maybe fortunately depending on how you look at it, I don't get to watch all of them)Marshall

Look at me, I'm a size Zero! Who needs clothes?
 

If it were possible to tell what cup size a person was just by looking at their breasts, there would be no need to measure and no need for fitting rooms for you to try on the bras.

I got some excellent bras at VS, but I only buy their stuff on sale. It is overpriced for the quality. Nordstrom and Bloomingdales have the best lingerie, IMHO.

Poll
 

Well, I've always considered the phrase to be gender neutral. And, as noted by the Rolling Stones in "Brown Sugar" --- yeah, yeah, yeah, woooooo!

:mcqueen: (this has nothing to do with my post, I just like the name of the smiley)

Look at me, I'm a size Zero! Who needs clothes?
 

I have noted that several white female posters here date, have dated, or are married to black men. Yet, I don't recall a single white male poster who has said that they date, have dated, or are married to a black woman.

Why are the overwhelming majority of black-white interracial couples in the US black men-white women couples? Why do I rarely see white men-black women couples?

Poll
 

I think you worry too much.

The moniker and the joke seem to be about the stereotype, not about the joke's underlying charge. It's a pretty funny play on words.

And I always thought the "once you go black" stereotype was about black people and culture and penis size and sexual ability, not just penis size. Is this just me romanticizing the joke? Is RP's take what everyone understands the joke to mean?

TM

Poll
 

I vote funny.

Even(fwiw, the OM agrees)Odds

Who'd You Rather? Marilyn v. Gwenyth
 

Why pull this quote out of context? I was talking stereotypical for Hollywood starlets (translation: female actors who get lead roles in films).

Your comment isn't adding anything to an admittedly dead topic.

TM

Poll
 

Yes, I tried to be clever in some of my smiley naming.

Look at me, I'm a size Zero! Who needs clothes?
 

I have dated a black woman. Well, two actually, but who's counting. I married neither of them, but then again I didn't marry a fair number of white, hispanic and asian women either.

I think this is merely your perception, because as a white man you are focused on black men taking what your perceive to be yours (i.e., white women), but don't notice the opposite because it poses no perceived threat to you.

Look at me, I'm a size Zero! Who needs clothes?
 

While I only occassionaly see white men-black women couples, I often see white men-asian women couples and I rarely see white women-asian men couples.

Look at me, I'm a size Zero! Who needs clothes?
 

Excellent response.

I have several white male friends who date black women, about the same proportion of black male friends who date white women. So, it probably is perception.

When we have polled the FB in the past, there is a higher proportion of interracial dating than you might suspect.

E/O

TV poll
 

I'll answer E/O's poll, at the risk of suffering the slings and arrows of other FBers. There is not a single show that I always make a point of watching. I usually see West Wing, but only because my SO likes it. I rely on all of you to keep me updated so that I don't make a fool of myself by the watercooler.

Look at me, I'm a size Zero! Who needs clothes?
 

I don't think your antecdotal evidence is in line with the true percentage. I will research it and see if I can find a break down by male/female ratios.

I rarely see white women with asian males and rarely see white males with black women.

White women with black men is pretty commonplace, and I believe is far more common than white men with black women.

I never commented on how prevalent interracial couples are. Just how you rarely see white men with black women, but quite frequently see white women with black men.

Like I said, I will do some research and see if anyone has tried to study the issue empirically. Most studies I have seen only look at total numbers of couples without doing a break down of the race of each gender in the couple. I'll get back to you with the results.

Look at me, I'm a size Zero! Who needs clothes?
 

me: if the results do not support your prejudice will you alter them to support them like your "boyfriend" temp sock did with the lesbian domestic violence statistics?

and just because you see people walking together on the streets doesn't mean that they are a couple. they could just be friends or coworkers. i'd assume that e/o's actual knowledge based on friends is more accurate than your observations which are undoubtably colored by your prejudices.

ms. naughty diplomat

Look at me, I'm a size Zero! Who needs clothes?
 

oh my god! justforfun is really anne coulter?

;)

ms. naughty diplomat

polls and sizes (heh heh)
 

At risk of being late to the party:
Once Hugo Black = funny (though not accurate in my case)

Sizes - If Liv Tyler is 5'10", she's probably 135-140. No way 112 - that's more Heather Locklear territory.

I/R dating = back in the day (10-15 years ago) when I was dating cross-race (before meeting spouse bader), I researched this; at least then, the black man/white woman pairing was disproportionately higher than black woman/white man, but not as high as white man/asian woman. (Those of you who buy the "asian => gay" theory may draw your own conclusions about repressed homosexuality.)
Just did a very quick google search and found this:
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/drharris/paa2000.pdf
(spree: long paper about interracial cohabitation/marriage. Didn't read all the way through, but it looked like it supported my recollection.)

Here is a link to the census data on interracial marriages from 1960 - 1992.

The earlier data appears to be from census data, whereas the data from the 1990's is from the Current Population Survey conducted by the Bureau of the Census.

The data confirms my suspicions. Starting in the 1970's, black man-white woman marriages outnumbered white man-black woman marriages 2 to 1. Asian woman-white man marriages outnumbered white women-asian man marriages 2 to 1.

Census Data On Interracial Marriages

I would like to see the data for all couples, not just married couples. If anyone has a source for that data, please post a link.

Not to deprive further attention...
 

from the greatest ongoing sock hoax in history, but...

...apropos of absolutely nothing...

t.A.T.u.

My god!!! Say what you will about "created" musical groups - but a duo of overtly sexual Russian, nymphette, schoolgirl chanteuses is nothing but pure and simple marketing genius. Deviant and brilliant. God, I wish I thought of it.

Even worse - it's drecky bubblegum techno-pop that is catchy as hell. Expect it to go to #1 once the war gets God, Mom, the Flag and Apple Pie off the TV set.

Here's link to the Mtv banned music video:

http://boss.streamos.com/real/inters...ngsshesaid.ram

not7yS

Why is this so important to you?

Here is a link someone sent me from a recent salon.com article:

"In 1998, black-white couples in which the wife is black made up 37 percent of all black-white marriages nationwide, up from only 22 percent in 1980."

http://archive.salon.com/mwt/feature...xed/index.html

It's very hard to compare census data from census year to census year, because they keep on changing the definitions. Also, the form and the definitions within the form changes every single census year, so the data is only really applicable within the census period, and not for comparison with other years. Up until recently, if the respondent didn't put in an answer for "race" then the census taker put down what he or she thought was the proper answer, based on looking at the person. From census year to census year, you could have someone changing back and forth between races four or five times in the course of a lifetime.