Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 422260)

I'd file a lawsuit a week alleging that the cops were not enforcing the law vigorously enough against non-Hispanic whites.

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 422260)

I'd file a lawsuit a week alleging that the cops were not enforcing the law vigorously enough against non-Hispanic whites, some of whom are also illegal or undocumented immigrants. Put the cops in fear of a civil rights lawsuit for not asking enough white folks for their papers, then give the white folks of Arizona about six months of having to whip out their documents for every cop they see, and we'll see how many of them persist in believing this law is a great idea.

I have unorthodox views of immigration policy, and actually have some sympathy for the notion of enforceable borders, but the people of Arizona lost any right to my sympathy for the supposed burden of being a border state. As far as I'm concerned they're just an asshole state now.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 422265)

Seems like the challenges we all want to make to the law are really facial, not as applied.

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 422266)

i have atticus on ignore, but consider this- this new law has yet to be matched with any guidelines, and it seems impossible for anything workable to come from that effort, so it's likely it's bluster with no real result. meanwhile atticus lives in a state that has banned homosexual marriage.

shouldn't he work to fix that instead of dogging other states?

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 422262)

you can file a lawsuit for that? you can?

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 422251)

I think you want to have T-Shirts printed up with "I can't prove I'm a citizen" on them and distribute them at the University of Arizona. Get 10,000 of those out on the street on a nice spring day, and then get a judge to order the police to comply with the law.

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 422267)

Except that Atticus is Mr. Tyranny of the Majority. The people of California have spoken, which usually is enough for him.

The good news is that at least two law profs seem to think it is clearly unconstitutional. Perhaps Atticus could re-direct his litigiousness in that direction.

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 422265)

Seems like the challenges we all want to make to the law are really facial, not as applied.

Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 422274)

Seems to me the best way to fight this is to write (the old fashioned way) to local tourism boards, hotel chains and restaurants informing them that they will receive not a single dollar of your money until the law is repealed.

TM

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 422262)

you can file a lawsuit for that? you can?

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 422276)

ARS 11-1051(G). I think it's within the bounds of this section to allege that law enforcement officials have implemented a policy of NOT asking Caucasians for ID even though there may be reasonable suspicion they lack documents, especially if there's a pattern of law enforcement testifying at suppression hearing that their "reasonable suspicion" arose from non-racial factors ("there were a lot of guys in that car, and that's unusual for that part of town at that time of day").

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 422277)

i think "wearing soccer jersies" might be something to flag. they'll catch a few americans, but mostly that'll boil it down to ones they need to speak to.

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 422273)

Imagine Rush gives you forty seconds of airtime, no questions asked, in the middle of his show. Then imagine that the last thing he says before he throws it to you in the booth is that Obama's financial regulatory reform package is actually pretty good and deserves his listeners' support. Do you spend your forty seconds pointing out that what Rush just said is 100% inconsistent with everything else Rush has said?

Actually, nevermind. I think I know the answer already.