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Atticus Grinch 04-27-2010 02:12 PM

Re: Funny? I think so.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 422354)
you don't think the "joke" was improper? ok. just wondering.

It's improper because the teller said he "thinks it's true" when in fact it's widely known that there is only one Jew in Afghanistan, and he doesn't sell ties.

Hank Chinaski 04-27-2010 02:20 PM

Re: Funny? I think so.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 422357)
No, for reasons basically like those said here.

Maybe you (not you, Hank, just you) hear the joke differently if you fixate on the fact (which I assume but don't know) that Jones is not Jewish, but that's not the first thought that would occur to me.

first- quoting a Jewish blogger, is just quoting a Jewish blogger, not providing your "deep thoughts" on the issue- I believe what you mean is you feel you can type the words you typed because you have found a Jewish blogger who feels that he can white wash the joke.

second, a guy whose responsibility includes trying to convince Israel to move towards concessions with the Palistinians, making a joke about how Jews cheated a Taliban guy, is offensive, scary, and extremely ill-advised. the admin can say it supports Israel all it wants, "jokes" like this scare the shit out of the Israelis. maybe you can find a blogger that says that's okay too, but I just disagree.

Hank Chinaski 04-27-2010 02:24 PM

Re: Funny? I think so.
 
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Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 422358)
It's improper because the teller said he "thinks it's true" when in fact it's widely known that there is only one Jew in Afghanistan, and he doesn't sell ties.

if hitler were around in the time of Wiki there'd be no Jews anywhere, or at least a cite to that effect. think. about. it.

Adder 04-27-2010 02:32 PM

Re: Funny? I think so.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 422360)
making a joke about how Jews cheated a Taliban guy

Cheated? How about cleverly took revenge on asshat Taliban guy. There is still a "clever jew" stereotype, but it isn't a "theiving jew" stereotype.

Atticus Grinch 04-27-2010 02:34 PM

Re: Funny? I think so.
 
Other joke for the NSA:

Two old Jews are walking in downtown Manhattan and pass a sign outside a church reading "Free Seminar on Christianity; Earn $20 for Attending." Simon says to Irving, "I have no other plans for today; I'm going to do it." Irving says, "Simon, are you crazy? You're 84 years old. Your people have been Jews for thousands of years. Your parents died in the Holocaust. For years you were a trustee of our Temple. You're a kohen, for G-d's sake! You should be ashamed." Simon says, "Don't worry, I'm not going to actually convert, I'll just listen for a little bit, and take a bit of their money; what could be the harm?" Irving disapproves but Simon goes in anyway. After half an hour, Simon comes back out. Irving says, "Well, Simon, did you get the money?" Simon says, "IS THAT ALL YOU PEOPLE THINK ABOUT?"

Hank Chinaski 04-27-2010 02:35 PM

Re: Funny? I think so.
 
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Originally Posted by adder (Post 422363)
cheated? How about cleverly took revenge on asshat taliban guy. There is still a "clever jew" stereotype, but it isn't a "theiving jew" stereotype.

qed

Atticus Grinch 04-27-2010 02:40 PM

Re: Funny? I think so.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 422363)
Cheated? How about cleverly took revenge on asshat Taliban guy. There is still a "clever jew" stereotype, but it isn't a "theiving jew" stereotype.

I sort of agree. The joke is sinister if it's just a guy asking for water. But making him Taliban turns it into a B'rer Rabbit story -- the merchant refuses to be steamrolled and finds a way to win despite being powerless. In that respect it's a Jewish joke, not a joke about Jews.

Hank Chinaski 04-27-2010 02:40 PM

Re: Funny? I think so.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 422364)
Other joke

an 80 year rabbi and an 80 year old Priest are sitting in the park-

"Well Father Cricelli, our end is near."
"You're right Rabbi Kravitz. Let me ask you, did you ever eat bacon?"
"Yes, once when I was a young man, and away from home I did try it. Father, did you ever have sex with a woman?"
"Yes Rabbi, yes I did once just before entering the seminary."
"Hey, father, it's better than bacon, huh?"

yours is fine, and the joke Gatti posted isn't bad either- but the Nat'l Security guy telling the joke he told should cost him the job- "he shouldn't even apologize?" fuck this topic- it's silly to even try to communicate with you all.

Adder 04-27-2010 02:42 PM

Re: Funny? I think so.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 422367)
The joke is sinister if it's just a guy asking for water.

I'm not sure about that. Assuming the guy did the same anti-semetic rant, I don't think it matters whether he is taliban. But Jones would have really added to his trouble had the guy been just an Afghan. Stereotypes all around!

Tyrone Slothrop 04-27-2010 02:45 PM

Re: Funny? I think so.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 422360)
first- quoting a Jewish blogger, is just quoting a Jewish blogger, not providing your "deep thoughts" on the issue- I believe what you mean is you feel you can type the words you typed because you have found a Jewish blogger who feels that he can white wash the joke.

I don't know why you're putting the words "deep thoughts" in quotes, implying that I said them, since what I said was that my reasons for finding it non-offensive were basically like Kleiman's. I'm happy to have this conversation with you, but there's really no point in it if you're going to ignore what I actually say and accuse me of saying other, stupid things. Believe what you like, but if it has no basis it what I actually said, then that means you can't see a problem with what I actually said.

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second, a guy whose responsibility includes trying to convince Israel to move towards concessions with the Palistinians, making a joke about how Jews cheated a Taliban guy, is offensive, scary, and extremely ill-advised. the admin can say it supports Israel all it wants, "jokes" like this scare the shit out of the Israelis. maybe you can find a blogger that says that's okay too, but I just disagree.
The joke doesn't say the Jew cheated anyone. I think you're reading something into it that isn't there.

Hank Chinaski 04-27-2010 02:48 PM

Re: Funny? I think so.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 422370)
The joke doesn't say the Jew cheated anyone.

the joke isn't built on a stereotype that doing a business dealing with a Jew usually won't go your way?


(p.s. ignore all the other points about our current relationship with Israel)

(p.p.s. you impression of why the joke is fine tracks word for word some blog opinion? really? you surf around the internet finding people that have posted your thoguhts word for word? that has to be one fucking scary existance.)

Atticus Grinch 04-27-2010 02:51 PM

Re: You (all) lie!
 
Change the pitch up:

These two Irishmen were looking for work. They saw a poster in the Post Office that said the police were looking for two men for murder, so they went down to the police station to apply.

When they got down there they saw a poster that said the police were looking for two Pakistanis for rape. One said to the other, "Wouldn't you know it, those damn wogs get all the good jobs."

Atticus Grinch 04-27-2010 02:55 PM

Re: You (all) lie!
 
Two Irish nuns are driving across the countryside when a vampire jumps on the roof of their car.

"Quick, Sister Joseph!" says the driver. "Show 'im yer cross!"

Sister Joseph leans out the window and yells, "Hey, you! Fuck off!"

Atticus Grinch 04-27-2010 02:57 PM

Re: You (all) lie!
 
An IRA man dies and is met by St. Peter at the Pearly Gates.

St. Peter says, "You can't come in; you've been bad."

The IRA man says, "I don't want to come in. You've got ten minutes to get out."

Atticus Grinch 04-27-2010 03:01 PM

Re: You (all) lie!
 
Two nuns are riding their bicycles around Dublin trying to find the way back to the convent, but they're lost. After twenty minutes or so, the younger one says to the other, "I've never come this way before." The older one nods and says, "It's the cobblestones."


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