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Re: Can you imagine us years from today, sharing a parkbench quietly?
 

Aw, aren't you sweet. I must not be friends with you on Facebook. :)

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Re: For Sebby
 

That's a great read -- thanks.

For some reason, reading it reminded me of comments made by Joe Biden in 2007 when he was one of the folks trying to win the Democratic Party nomination - the infamous time Biden called Obama the "first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.".

I recall thinking at the time that it was not a racist remark (despite the use of the always problematic "articulate" adjective when talking about a black politician). And what surprised me was that when it triggered a controversy, it wasn't based on Joe calling Barry "articulate," but upon calling him "clean."

I remember thinking that it was obvious that it was a somewhat backhanded compliment about Obama coming up through politics in Chicago and in the Illinois Senate without ever being tagged with corruption (which is, I hear, a bipartisan sport in Illinois involving all shades of cats). I also took it as a slap at Jesse Jackson.

How did you (and I'm not just asking TM) take that comment?

Re: Can you imagine us years from today, sharing a parkbench quietly?
 

Right -- I am not on Facebook. I mean, if one has a second Manhattan at a bulge-bracket bank road show and tells a little twerp in a hoodie that he's "just a little twerp in a hoodie," doors get closed, you know?

Re: Can you imagine us years from today, sharing a parkbench quietly?
 

I get drunk posting on FB is bad but do not get the hoodie ref

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I was implying that CEO Mark Zuckerberg (who is known for being a hoodie wearer) banned me from Facebook after I drunkenly insulted him over cocktails while nibbling pigs in a blanket at a roadshow in the Sheboygan Hilton last year.

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You give Biden too much credit. I thought it was his ignorance leaking out.

TM

Re: For Sebby
 

yes, there's one "clean" AA pol Nationally? It was a tone deaf statement, at best.

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Anytime someone uses the word "bright" to describe you to a third person, they're peeing on your leg. It's the go-to power play for old versus young and I'm now making an effort never to use it.

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Don't lump me in with Cohen (not that you are, but I can't be vigilant enough in distancing my previous opinion from what Blow cites). The notion "conventional" views include an aversion to biracial marriage is simply retarded (the only adjective that really fits).

I also agree with Blow that a lot of Tea Partiers tend to hold racist attitudes. But they are, thankfully, just a loud minority, which does not speak for most of society.* To argue that because Tea Partiers trend racist, so does a substantial segment of society, and in particular the portion critical of Obama, is like saying your crazy cousin who sees UN conspiracies and black helicopters everywhere is indicative of your entire family's view of the world.

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* Those polls showing Tea Partiers tend to be wealthier and more educated than other Republicans strike me as bullshit. The ardent Tea Partiers I've met/seen are angry, incoherent, poorly educated, and in most cases ekeing through life. It's largely an outlier collection of lunatic losers.

Re: For Sebby
 

I don't think you're getting the point of the article, but whatever. I'm tired of this topic.

TM

Re: For Sebby
 

Blow's not my favorite NYTimes oped writer. It's hard to find an interesting angle in most of what he writes (though he tends to provide nice graphs with most of his stuff).

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I'm not sure that's true. I don't encounter many TPers but do know some who are very well-educated, have family businesses or their own businesses, etc. They are people with more science/technical backgrounds, who have an aversion to government, who have read too much Ayn Rand, and who believe Ron Paul would be an excellent president (in the 21st century, not just the 19th).

Obviously, though, there are the hordes of Tea Partiers that we see on TV, the angry white folk from Kentucky that were profiled in Rolling Stone, etc. Maybe those are more numerous, and they were easier for the people who really stand to benefit from the TP to exploit.

I sort of picture it like the armies of Mordor, with the "lunatic losers" as the numerous orcs, the true-believer types that I've encountered as the giants or trolls, and the Koch Brothers as Sauron.

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I think those techies are more new age libertarians than traditional TPers. TPers as I understand it are hypocritical self-proclaimed Constitutional Originalists who like the positive rights they've accrued, but will rant about how the founding fathers intended only negative rights when somebody suggests expanding those positive rights to groups the TP doesn't like.

The techies are more the Peter Thiel sorts. They're like me (socially super-liberal, fiscally conservative, and against almost all govt expansion) or perhaps Less, but a bit too extreme.

The Kochs are first order classists, royalists to the bone, pretending to be libertarians.