Islamofacist?
 

They are similar to every other group of "revolutionaries" that have tried to impose their will on the masses. Any group that attempts to grab power without instituting a democracy is necessarily most concerned with power.

Islamofacist?
 

But what makes these guys even more dangerous is their willingness to die for their beliefs. And once your dead you can't really hold power. There were communist and Nazi fanatics, but very few were willing to make intentional suicide runs. Many took a lot of risks, but very few were willling to intentional sacrifice their lives. The Japanese were willing to do suicide runs, but that was because of their Shinto religious belief in the divinity of their Emporer.

There is nothing more fanatic than religious fanaticism.

Islamofacist?
 

That may or may not be true (i.e., that they are more dangerous). They are certainly more, dare I say, fanatical. But it says nothing about their primary motive.

Missile Defense
 

If that was what you got out of it, that is not what I meant. Obviously if there is an SDI bill that is more pork barrel than effective it should be voted against. But there are many people that are against SDI in principle. That don't think the US should be involved in SDI research. I will say that these people are morons. There are many issues where I respect both sides arguments. Abortion, gun control, welfare reform, environmental law. But SDI I simply can't. It is beyond me how anyone could be against researching how to stop nucliear missiles from entering this country. And there are many liberal Senators and Congressman that take that position.

Islamofacist?
 

Their primary motive is to bring about governments that are based on their interpretation of the Koran (that implement the Sharia). They want to create theocratic states like the one that existed in Afghanistan. Not to complicated or mysterious.

Missile Defense
 

I like to play Socrates.

What's wrong with the notion that SDI will simply drive the other side to build more missiles and other counter-measures, neither of which is as remotely expensive as SDI?

Islamofacist?
 

I just read the NYT story. It says the targets were places where Europeans/tourists go. There were Muslims in the WTC 9/11 you know.

Missile Defense
 

so we'll force the USSR to build up?

Missile Defense
 

Hey, I know, so we'll force the people against us to use relatively small ground-based bombs against domestic targets, rather than (easily interceptable) missiles against military targets.

What do I win?

Missile Defense
 

Nothing. If the Soviet Union where the only nuclear power in the world. But the Soviet Union never was, and its successor Russia, are not the only other nuclear powers in the world. Russia is the least of our worries. Right now if a rogue state gets a nuclear weapon and a missile to carry it on there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. We couldn't do anything about it back then but we are developing the capability to do so now. It is not the responsible nuclear powers we have to worry about and it is only a responsible nuclear state that we could get into an arms race with. It is the rogue powers we have to worry about and they don't have the capability of getting into an arms race with us.

Missile Defense
 

Contrary to popular belief, it is not very easy to transport a nuclear weapon into the United States. It is not impossible, but making small nuclear devices is not that easy (small ones have to use plutonium not Uranium). Transporting them undetected is also not very easy. With modern radiation sensing devices, the weapons grade plutonium, or the mass of Uranium that it would take to for a city destroying nuclear device, can be picked up by Satelite. If North Korea has a missile and a weapon, it would be alot easier to launch it from North Korea than try and sneak one in the United States. One just takes the push of a button. The other is a pretty sophisticated clandestine operation with unsure results.

Missile Defense
 

Spankster, I was not talking about nuclear. So sorry if that was the sole topic here. I guess we are convinced that they are crazy enough not to care that we'd obliterate them? I guess with NK, we'd fuck up SK too, and we like them, so maybe we wouldn't obliterate them. But I wouldn't count on it.

I had thought that SDI was mostly to keep anyone from disarming us -- to intercept missles intended to destroy our missles, which would leave us toothless for some other attack. I mean, isn't one of the points of war to take out the other side's weaponry?

Well, whatever. I really should read up more on this stuff.

FactCheck.org
 

Here's an article put out by the Annenberg Political Fact Check group -- which I think is acknowledged by both sides to be evenhanded in its treatment of issues (if I'm not mistaken, Dick Cheney (mis)identified it during the VP debate as support for something he was saying) -- that talks about the Plame/Wilson/Novak/Rove morass.

Missile Defense
 

Pretty sure it was conceived to save lives, by preventing a nuclear attack (or limiting it). Even in the 80s, we would know within seconds if a nuclear attack were being launched against the US. Our birds would be flying long before they were destroyed by incoming missiles.

Didn't you see war games? jeez.

Missile Defense
 

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