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ThurgreedMarshall 09-07-2016 03:44 PM

Re: Not amusing
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 502609)
You watched?












Okay, 11 was great and the kids too. And all the drama of the monster and the mystery of the goop in the basement.

But there's this top level government agency apparently doing mind control experiments with at least one gifted person. Are there others, or is 11 unique? I assume there are others, but nothing more about it, or the goals of the program, other than some hints.

But that wasn't my problem. The government had little idea what the monster or the goop was about? They sent their guy in there to find out, but that didn't go well. So this monster, who steals people to be hosts for it's babies, has taken up residence in this otherwise protected lab; but there's no apparent tie to the mind control stuff. At a minimum, say the government hopes to someday harness this monster, at least move the mind control stuff somewhere safer. I mean I didn't see the upside down as anything the government really knew about, or did I miss something?

It just started with "here's a bunch of really weird shit," and the promise of explaining it, but the end was "well that was some really weird shit." Disappointing.

Plus it sucks Will is likely dying.


P.S. just saw there's a season two so maybe they go into stuff more?

Not sure they were looking into using the monster. Seemed to me they wanted to explore the other dimension which only 11 had access to. I think they were pushing her to do that and when she came across the monster, she opened up the portal with her mind powerage and caused a whole bunch of problems. Yeah, they sent the dumbass with no powers through the portal. But the goal was always to study why the shit they did with 11 worked so they could weaponize it. Everything else seemed exploratory.

Maybe more answers next time. But that doesn't really bother me. The story is the kids. As long as they bring back 11, I'll be happy. But it would make me more happy if they dump Winona Ryder. Jesus, she's awful. Also, Nancy is emaciated. She looks unhealthy.

Finally, it sure would be great if there were more people of color. Holy crap.

TM

Replaced_Texan 09-07-2016 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 502612)
Finally, it sure would be great if there were more people of color. Holy crap.

TM

My husband: Have you ever noticed in lily white towns like this, the principal is always the one black dude?

ThurgreedMarshall 09-07-2016 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 502613)
My husband: Have you ever noticed in lily white towns like this, the principal is always the one black dude?

Or the judge.

TM

Replaced_Texan 09-07-2016 04:01 PM

Re: Not amusing
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 502612)
Maybe more answers next time. But that doesn't really bother me. The story is the kids. As long as they bring back 11, I'll be happy. But it would make me more happy if they dump Winona Ryder. Jesus, she's awful. Also, Nancy is emaciated. She looks unhealthy.

TM

So long as they put Dustin in charge of all decision making, they should be in good shape.

Hank Chinaski 09-07-2016 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 502615)
So long as they put Dustin in charge of all decision making, they should be in good shape.

Will has a worm growing in him. Unless 11 comes back that ain't getting fixed. Although now the upside down is safer for exploring (except there are probably some hatched monster babies, depending on gestation period?).

Hank Chinaski 09-07-2016 04:14 PM

Re: Not amusing
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 502612)
Not sure they were looking into using the monster. Seemed to me they wanted to explore the other dimension which only 11 had access to. I think they were pushing her to do that and when she came across the monster, she opened up the portal with her mind powerage and caused a whole bunch of problems. Yeah, they sent the dumbass with no powers through the portal. But the goal was always to study why the shit they did with 11 worked so they could weaponize it. Everything else seemed exploratory.

Maybe more answers next time. But that doesn't really bother me. The story is the kids. As long as they bring back 11, I'll be happy. But it would make me more happy if they dump Winona Ryder. Jesus, she's awful. Also, Nancy is emaciated. She looks unhealthy.

Finally, it sure would be great if there were more people of color. Holy crap.

TM

I didn't catch she had opened it. They really didn't show her doing much outside the room, other than looking for that guy, but I assumed he was walking around Moscow or where ever. They should have tied it more. But with season 2, okay. I gave the Killing season 2 and i didn't like that nearly so much.

Hank Chinaski 09-07-2016 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 502614)
Or the judge.

TM

Deputies are usually diverse too.

But yeah, it is just odd at this point.

Pretty Little Flower 09-07-2016 06:56 PM

Re: Not amusing
 
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Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 502615)
So long as they put Dustin in charge of all decision making, they should be in good shape.

I've been watching The Get Down, which I have been enjoying so far. Here is some Meters for the Daily Dose. Funky Miracle. Funk is indeed a miracle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jrmtmQIc9k

Hank Chinaski 09-07-2016 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 502619)
I've been watching The Get Down, which I have been enjoying so far. Here is some Meters for the Daily Dose. Funky Miracle. Funk is indeed a miracle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jrmtmQIc9k

I kind of feel that picking your avatar photo was your high point, and it's been downward slope since:confused: Not to say you aren't still posting at a really high level, just that was such a high water mark, who could expect you to keep that up?

Pretty Little Flower 09-08-2016 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 502620)
I kind of feel that picking your avatar photo was your high point, and it's been downward slope since:confused: Not to say you aren't still posting at a really high level, just that was such a high water mark, who could expect you to keep that up?

That is not surprising given that Pushy The Puppy found the avatar photo. But I would argue that any post with a link to a Meters tune is automatically among the most valuable posts on this entire chatting board forum.

Hank Chinaski 09-08-2016 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 502623)
That is not surprising given that Pushy The Puppy found the avatar photo. But I would argue that any post with a link to a Meters tune is automatically among the most valuable posts on this entire chatting board forum.

Conf to Flower: Friendly practice pointer? Penske {sob!} was the guy who gave drafting advice, but let me see if I can do this one thing? Everyone knows the second sentence is your opinion, the "I would argue that" only takes away from the impact your thesis otherwise would carry. WTTW

Tyrone Slothrop 09-08-2016 07:49 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
No one ever tells Donald Trump to smile.

Hank Chinaski 09-08-2016 08:21 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 502632)

Well, maybe, but Trump may be being told lots of thing. He. just. doesn't. listen. to. anyone. Except maybe his daughter he might want to fuck?

Icky Thump 09-09-2016 07:06 AM

Re: Not amusing
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 502612)
Not sure they were looking into using the monster. Seemed to me they wanted to explore the other dimension which only 11 had access to. I think they were pushing her to do that and when she came across the monster, she opened up the portal with her mind powerage and caused a whole bunch of problems. Yeah, they sent the dumbass with no powers through the portal. But the goal was always to study why the shit they did with 11 worked so they could weaponize it. Everything else seemed exploratory.

Maybe more answers next time. But that doesn't really bother me. The story is the kids. As long as they bring back 11, I'll be happy. But it would make me more happy if they dump Winona Ryder. Jesus, she's awful. Also, Nancy is emaciated. She looks unhealthy.

Finally, it sure would be great if there were more people of color. Holy crap.

TM

I think they just realized 11 passed through the upside down world to do her dirty work but didn't really mobilize it.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-09-2016 09:03 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 502632)

He smiles for Vladimir.

ThurgreedMarshall 09-09-2016 10:18 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 502635)
He smiles for Vladimir.

Putin doesn't have to ask.

TM

Hank Chinaski 09-09-2016 10:28 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
at a Hil fundraiser last night, Carl Levin the featured speaker. I asked if he was concerned about the Bradley effect? He asked what that meant. I explained and said that Trump had basically said (w/o naming it as such) the election is way closer than the polls because so many of his people are ashamed to admit they support him.

He said "I wouldn't believe or listen to anything he says." So I explained to the crowd, if they hear someone say they may not vote etc. because it isn't close, they should explain the potential.

Two thoughts: Not "listening" here would be like the French not listening if Hitler said "forget your forts, I'm going through Belgium."

AND, political bloggers know of all these issues and real pols just work the crowd/issues?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-09-2016 12:01 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 502637)
at a Hil fundraiser last night, Carl Levin the featured speaker. I asked if he was concerned about the Bradley effect? He asked what that meant. I explained and said that Trump had basically said (w/o naming it as such) the election is way closer than the polls because so many of his people are ashamed to admit they support him.

He said "I wouldn't believe or listen to anything he says." So I explained to the crowd, if they hear someone say they may not vote etc. because it isn't close, they should explain the potential.

Two thoughts: Not "listening" here would be like the French not listening if Hitler said "forget your forts, I'm going through Belgium."

AND, political bloggers know of all these issues and real pols just work the crowd/issues?

Back when I worked for the Democratic Party, most of a lifetime ago, the elected officials I dealt with ranged from incredibly sophisticated to totally clueless on campaign strategy and tactics. Among the clueless, some were just dumb as a doorknob and would never get it and others had had a safe seat for so long they had the luxury of just focusing on policy and not paying any attention to the campaigns.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-09-2016 05:03 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 502638)
Back when I worked for the Democratic Party, most of a lifetime ago, the elected officials I dealt with ranged from incredibly sophisticated to totally clueless on campaign strategy and tactics. Among the clueless, some were just dumb as a doorknob and would never get it and others had had a safe seat for so long they had the luxury of just focusing on policy and not paying any attention to the campaigns.

Same was true when I worked for a Republican politician.

Hank Chinaski 09-09-2016 08:22 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 502638)
Back when I worked for the Democratic Party, most of a lifetime ago, the elected officials I dealt with ranged from incredibly sophisticated to totally clueless on campaign strategy and tactics. Among the clueless, some were just dumb as a doorknob and would never get it and others had had a safe seat for so long they had the luxury of just focusing on policy and not paying any attention to the campaigns.

Fair point. I do not remember him ever being in a race.

His brother, my congressman, is a dick though. Him i do not give slack.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-10-2016 01:24 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
A 9/11 oral history of those who traveled with POTUS -- worth reading.

sebastian_dangerfield 09-11-2016 10:56 PM

Biden 2016
 
Uncle Joe to the rescue.

sebastian_dangerfield 09-11-2016 11:02 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
I only hope on his way out, he can initiate some sort of comprehensive continuing review program to force Clinton (or Kaine or Biden) to continue on the same path.

And give the vote back to all felons. If a guy does his time, he's completed his punishment. He's a citizen with all the rights of a non-felon. This Scarlet Letter administrative-lifelong-punishment shit is deeply un-American.

sebastian_dangerfield 09-11-2016 11:04 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 502632)

In fairness, however, they do rip the shit out him for his atrocious choice of blush and tanning powder.

sebastian_dangerfield 09-11-2016 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 502600)
In the category of thoughts that aren't fully developed for more more public expression: while a confession in the Jacob Wetterling case confirms horrible things, it also could have been worse. Patty said he was alive to them until they found the remains last week, it's probably better that he was killed shortly after being taken rather than subjected to prolonged abuse.

Thanks for enlightening me about that delightful story. I haven't been that depressed and upset in a long fucking time. Can I unread that? Fuck. Just... fuck. Fuck. Fuck.

sebastian_dangerfield 09-11-2016 11:21 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 502638)
Back when I worked for the Democratic Party, most of a lifetime ago, the elected officials I dealt with ranged from incredibly sophisticated to totally clueless on campaign strategy and tactics. Among the clueless, some were just dumb as a doorknob and would never get it and others had had a safe seat for so long they had the luxury of just focusing on policy and not paying any attention to the campaigns.

Save those who are measured in winning or losing the campaign, my experience in the realm suggests there is no greater place to appear to know something, do nothing, and punt the heavy lifting to another like politics. If you're looking for a field near exclusively populated by the 80% of the 80/20 Rule, there's no greater preserve of them than politics.

Law's for the full of shit. Finance for the even more full of shit. But only politics has that amazing mix of the lazy, dumb-as-fuck, and so full of shit they truly cannot tell bullshit from non-bullshit anymore.

It seems mean to hate political sorts. They're too much a special ed crowd.

ThurgreedMarshall 09-12-2016 10:10 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 502649)
And give the vote back to all felons. If a guy does his time, he's completed his punishment. He's a citizen with all the rights of a non-felon. This Scarlet Letter administrative-lifelong-punishment shit is deeply un-American.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

TM

sebastian_dangerfield 09-12-2016 10:51 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 502653)
Couldn't have said it better myself.

TM

Actually, we both could have said it better.

People should also not be barred from public housing, or student loans, or any state or federal license* because of a prior conviction for which they have served their time.

ETA: The govt can propose forfeiture of license, or certain other rights, but the convicted person (or plea bargainer) must get a credit - which is set forth explicitly in the sentencing guidelines, just like a "downward departure" for cooperation) - against any time he serves for giving up that right or license. BUT, no -- a person cannot avoid time by paying a larger fine... that'd be abused.

Govt can have your time, or forfeiture of rights/licenses, but not your time plus a "bonus punishment."

Yeah, and while on this soapbox, let's get rid of these fucking retarded sentencing ranges. This "facing 30 years" bullshit is laughable to those who know how the actual guidelines work, and cynically cruel to the poor bastard facing the charges. You can't have an honest plea bargain where one side at the table gets to say he can *technically* put you away for half of your life. See: Aaron Swartz.
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*I'd allow people with violent crime histories to be barred from acquiring gun licenses. That seems a reasonable line.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-12-2016 03:31 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
This.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-12-2016 03:52 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 502652)
Save those who are measured in winning or losing the campaign, my experience in the realm suggests there is no greater place to appear to know something, do nothing, and punt the heavy lifting to another like politics. If you're looking for a field near exclusively populated by the 80% of the 80/20 Rule, there's no greater preserve of them than politics.

Law's for the full of shit. Finance for the even more full of shit. But only politics has that amazing mix of the lazy, dumb-as-fuck, and so full of shit they truly cannot tell bullshit from non-bullshit anymore.

It seems mean to hate political sorts. They're too much a special ed crowd.

I knew plenty of intelligent, very hardworking, and thoughtful people in politics. Really. More than I've seen in law. Those were the Dukakis years here, and he set the tone, and there are plenty of people from that era for whom I developed deep respect.

Not to say there weren't some in politics with a unique combination of moral rot deep into their soul and an equally deep-set aversion to any work more onerous than lifting a glass. But that wasn't my set.

Pretty Little Flower 09-12-2016 08:29 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 502654)
Actually, we both could have said it better.

You're too hard on yourself.

Been missing the Daily Dose? Don't answer, it's a rhetorical question! Here is some classic Sly. Poppy for the funk, but one of the best a cappella breakdowns out there. Dance To The Music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn2PNlhvy8E

BackInTheNewYorkGroove 09-12-2016 11:58 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 502656)
I knew plenty of intelligent, very hardworking, and thoughtful people in politics. Really. More than I've seen in law. Those were the Dukakis years here, and he set the tone, and there are plenty of people from that era for whom I developed deep respect.

Not to say there weren't some in politics with a unique combination of moral rot deep into their soul and an equally deep-set aversion to any work more onerous than lifting a glass. But that wasn't my set.

And yet one of the chief presidential campaign aides for Governor Michael "Michael" Dukakis (motto: "I'm not a robot, but I play one on TV when Bernie Shaw asks me what to do about my wife's hypothetical rapist") has been a Fox News commentator for some time, and is now leading the defense for Roger Ailes.

Seriously, GGG -- Michael Dukakis sounds like he is a wonderful person, but God help me, he was probably the worst Democratic presidential candidate of my lifetime.

But that's not why I logged in. No, today I found the answer to who to vote for in tomorrow's primary - I shall vote for the black city councilman, not for the Jewish kid who worked for the AG. Here's to Irish grudges!

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Another retired politician with a long memory is Brian Murtaugh, 79, who showed up on a recent afternoon to support Mr. Jackson.


Mr. Murtaugh was a 16-year member of the Assembly, representing the 72nd District, when he was upset in a Democratic primary by Mr. Espaillat in 1996 — giving impetus to Mr. Espaillat’s political career.


Mr. Murtaugh is now helping organize support for Mr. Jackson and for Mr. Linares, the incumbent for the very seat that Mr. Murtaugh and Mr. Espaillat once held.


“It will be a blow to his prestige if his two candidates do not win,” Mr. Murtaugh said of Mr. Espaillat. He admitted that he took pleasure in stirring up the waters where his old rival is now the big fish.


“The Irish are noted for long memories,” he said. “Yeah, I enjoy it. I make his life uncomfortable and maybe defeat him in a couple of races? Oh absolutely.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/ny...imary-win.html

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-13-2016 10:36 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by BackInTheNewYorkGroove (Post 502663)
And yet one of the chief presidential campaign aides for Governor Michael "Michael" Dukakis (motto: "I'm not a robot, but I play one on TV when Bernie Shaw asks me what to do about my wife's hypothetical rapist") has been a Fox News commentator for some time, and is now leading the defense for Roger Ailes.

Seriously, GGG -- Michael Dukakis sounds like he is a wonderful person, but God help me, he was probably the worst Democratic presidential candidate of my lifetime.

But that's not why I logged in. No, today I found the answer to who to vote for in tomorrow's primary - I shall vote for the black city councilman, not for the Jewish kid who worked for the AG. Here's to Irish grudges!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/ny...imary-win.html


I have been abusing Susan Estrich on twitter. She was a self-serving shit then, and she's a self-serving shit now. If anyone ever wants to buy me drinks and ask me about Susan Estrich....

The Duke got eaten up and spat out in national politics, and lost a race he never should have, but it doesn't affect the point, which is that, contra Sebby, politics isn't just a cesspool full of shits. Again, not to say there aren't shits in the cesspool (Hello, Susan Estrich!), just that there's often a nice garden growing above.

Tyrone Slothrop 09-13-2016 12:56 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 502664)
I have been abusing Susan Estrich on twitter. She was a self-serving shit then, and she's a self-serving shit now. If anyone ever wants to buy me drinks and ask me about Susan Estrich....

The Duke got eaten up and spat out in national politics, and lost a race he never should have, but it doesn't affect the point, which is that, contra Sebby, politics isn't just a cesspool full of shits. Again, not to say there aren't shits in the cesspool (Hello, Susan Estrich!), just that there's often a nice garden growing above.

One of the funner moments of my legal career was when I was writing a Supreme Court amicus brief for one set of industry players, and Susan Estrich was writing one for another set of players, and her clients read my brief and suggested that they all back my brief. Her name was on it too, for no good reason, but I was counsel of record. (And we won, 5-4.)

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 09-13-2016 01:07 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 502665)
One of the funner moments of my legal career was when I was writing a Supreme Court amicus brief for one set of industry players, and Susan Estrich was writing one for another set of players, and her clients read my brief and suggested that they all back my brief. Her name was on it too, for no good reason, but I was counsel of record. (And we won, 5-4.)

But I'll bet Estrich charged more for the project.

Pretty Little Flower 09-13-2016 06:20 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 502665)
One of the funner moments of my legal career was when I was writing a Supreme Court amicus brief for one set of industry players, and Susan Estrich was writing one for another set of players, and her clients read my brief and suggested that they all back my brief. Her name was on it too, for no good reason, but I was counsel of record. (And we won, 5-4.)

That does sound fun! Speaking of fun, you can't have funk without it. And this little number is nothing if not fun. And weird. Good old wigged-out dirty funk. "Mama Soul" from Harold Alexander is today's Daily Dose:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3yHN1Q5oN0

Pretty Little Flower 09-14-2016 05:29 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 502672)
That does sound fun! Speaking of fun, you can't have funk without it. And this little number is nothing if not fun. And weird. Good old wigged-out dirty funk. "Mama Soul" from Harold Alexander is today's Daily Dose:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3yHN1Q5oN0

I got a good laugh out of Powell's e-mails. If all my old e-mails somehow become public, those will be some interesting days for me. It would be just the excuse I need to go off the grid and join a hippie mountain biking commune in Montana.

Here is some slow groove old funk from Mandrill. I cannot hear the beginning without hearing Chuck D's booming voice on By The Time I Get To Arizona. Today's Daily Dose is "Two Sister of Mercy":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgHRX02p3Kg

SEC_Chick 09-14-2016 06:05 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
So GGG, did you opine on Hillary's "basket of deplorables" and apparent health issues or did I miss it?

It's like I am in a bizarro world and now it seems that Hillary might just be a bad enough candidate that Trump will win. I don't really care who wins, because I still think it's going to be pretty much the same either way (but with more overt racism from the Trump camp), but wow, 2016 sucks.

Adder 09-14-2016 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 502681)
So GGG, did you opine on Hillary's "basket of deplorables" and apparent health issues or did I miss it?

As Trumpists continue to brand themselves "deplorable" (i.e., racist, sexists, xenophobes), that one may not wind up a gaffe in the end. Pretty hard to claim she's unfairly maligned them when they embrace it.

Knowing that her health was already an issue (for no reason) they should have gotten out ahead of the pneumonia thing. I don't really think it will matter much once she's reestablished on the trail, though.

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It's like I am in a bizarro world and now it seems that Hillary might just be a bad enough candidate that Trump will win.
It doesn't help that you'll hear a ton about deplorables but little about Trump using foundation money to buy himself stuff and pay off AGs. Or when you get headlines about how a lack of disclosure is dogging both of them (he's released almost nothing, her about all you could ask for, but it's totally the same).

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I still think it's going to be pretty much the same either way
That's a fascinating thought. I don't know how anyone has any confidence at all in predicting what President Trump would do.

I mean, I suppose I'd have to predict that he does mainstream Republican stuff, because Congress will make him do that or nothing, but then again he's such an unpredictable, petty, ignorant blowhard, who really knows?

But come on, you have to care. Even if you think there is zero policy distinction between them, do you really think empowering the sleaze he's brought out of the woodwork doesn't have harmful effects for all of us? To not to mention potentially acutely so for women, immigrants and people of color.

Hank Chinaski 09-14-2016 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 502682)
As Trumpists continue to brand themselves "deplorable" (i.e., racist, sexists, xenophobes), that one may not wind up a gaffe in the end. Pretty hard to claim she's unfairly maligned them when they embrace it.

Say you were still undecided, (and i understand there are still a significant % of such voters- hard to believe, but supposedly true) and you are truly on the fence. hillary just said if you are thinking about voting for space fuck, you are "deplorable." You don't that will cost her votes? Really?


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