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And NY has been at the forefront of "broken windows" policing, so their cops are trained to be assholes.

It is a city where there has been a racist tone throughout to the way they implemented broken windows and other programs. The NYPD's stop and frisk program has been blatantly racist in its application. This is not just a bad attitude, a few biased cops: this is organized institutional discrimination.

I could rant on this for a long time...

Re: And everybody hates the Jews....
 

Yes, this is right. I stand corrected.

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I was on a stage with a black former LA cop. His story was that he was in a supervisory position during the trial of the cops that beat Rodney King. He was getting flack from his superiors because he was training his guys to prepare for unrest in the event of an aquittal. Then it turned out he was right about the unrest.

During a break I said that once all the crap came out about how the cops acted (gorillas etc.) I couldn't believe anyone near it could possibly have been shocked. He told me that it was horrible, sergaents would tell n-jokes in Squad meetings. Once, when he was in uniform, a white cop pulled his gun on him. I didn't think to ask if things changed after it came out, but at most it could only be that the racists got more careful about what they said.

Re: And everybody hates the Jews....
 

Further to my point:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/1...n_6273864.html

TM

Re: You've got to speak out against the madness.
 

Chris Rock:

When we talk about race relations in America or racial progress, it's all nonsense. There are no race relations. White people were crazy. Now they're not as crazy. To say that black people have made progress would be to say they deserve what happened to them before…

So, to say Obama is progress is saying that he's the first black person that is qualified to be president. That's not black progress. That's white progress. There's been black people qualified to be president for hundreds of years. If you saw Tina Turner and Ike having a lovely breakfast over there, would you say their relationship's improved? Some people would. But a smart person would go, "Oh, he stopped punching her in the face." It's not up to her. Ike and Tina Turner’s relationship has nothing to do with Tina Turner. Nothing. It just doesn't. The question is, you know, my kids are smart, educated, beautiful, polite children. There have been smart, educated, beautiful, polite black children for hundreds of years. The advantage that my children have is that my children are encountering the nicest white people that America has ever produced. Let's hope America keeps producing nicer white people.



It's not white people who were or are crazy. It's People with Power and Control ("PPC") who are crazy, regardless of race. Humans. White humans. Black humans. Brown humans. Humans have historically and consistently been assholes to people who are different from them since the beginning of recorded history. PPC, regardless of their race or religion, have been enslaving other people, treating other people like shit, and have been overtly prejudiced against other people who looked different and who did not have power and control for thousands of years. White people have done it to black people. Black people have done it to white people. White people have done it to other white people, and black people have done it to other black people. If Africa instead of Europe gained economic power and control in the last two thousand years, I'm pretty sure the situation would be identical but reversed.

It's only in last 100 years or so when humans have (kinda-sorta) stopped being colossal dicks to each other.

Re: Yeah.
 

I sincerely doubt they are taped because, unless my memory is faulty, grand juries enjoy absolute immunity. Even if an indictment can be attacked as being handed down under fraudulent circumstances, the jurors themselves have an absolute privilege.

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Apropos of this, here is part of an interview with a NYPD cop (not all of which I necessarily agree with):

Re: You've got to speak out against the madness.
 

This is not exactly false and it is not completely true.

I will surely concede (and I already posted about it today) that people in power act like assholes and tend to want to remain in power. But white people are the ones who decided that they wanted to conquer the entire world and build empires. And they were the ones who actually did it. Hell, the UK only gave Hong Kong back in fucking 1997!

Slavery existed in lots of places, but in many places (including Africa) it was more like indentured servitude. It served as a punishment for crimes or was the result of being a captive of war. White people in this country took it to a whole different level.

All of this aside, what's your point exactly? That white people aren't inherently evil? Yes. We know. That Chris Rock is wrong? Because I don't really see it. The simple fact is, white people in this country have acted crazy. That statement doesn't change because another race in another country also acted crazy. To say that whites here only did so because they were in power and that other races act similarly horrible in other places when they are in power misses his point entirely and really just seems like a defensive reaction to the fact that in this country white people have acted crazy.

The clear takeaway is that a black person's success in this country should not be attributed to progress blacks have made, but the progress white people have made in not completely standing in the way of people they have traditionally treated as subhuman. What's interesting about what he said is that he has taken a perspective that all of us have internalized (i.e., black people are progressing, look at Obama!) and turned it on its head by pointing out that it's white people's attitudes that have progressed by accepting, and actually voting for, a black man to be a leader.

TM

Re: Yeah.
 

The only right conceded by forcing prosecutors into prelims rather than using GJs is privacy. The cost-benefit for defendants there is a no brainer. I doubt any sane person would give a shit about embarrassment if the process decreased the likelihood of dubious charges being brought against him.

Re: And everybody hates the Jews....
 

That's all true. But I think the justice system is also becoming more aggressive. Forfeiture law has always been an abomination, but its gotten really horrible in recent years. And the police now have tanks? Assault rifles? Tear gas cannons and military body armor?

We're quietly becoming a police state that works as a feeder for the private prison industry.

Here's how we do this: White people who know better need to tell other clueless white people to shut the fuck up when they say stupid shit like, "The justice system doesn't discriminate against Blacks." I'm around a lot of right leaning whites (happens in flyover land), and when they say this shit, I call it out. Fuck them if they don't like having their narrative turned on its ear. It's simply bullshit to say Black people in aggregate get a fair shake in our system, and anyone who's worked in the system knows that. But until Whites who get this fact start telling their asshole friends who don't just how wrong they are, the false perception that Blacks are criminal by nature and deserve what they get will persist.

This is educated white society's burden. We have to start telling other Whites who believe the shit they hear from Limbaugh, et al. that's it's just wrong. Too often, when whites are together (and every white person on this board has seen this) and some dickhead starts generalizing about non-whites, all the other whites who disagree will stay silent. I've done it myself, many times. Right wingers are loudmouths, and they like to fight. It's a pain to take them on, usually tiring and hugely annoying. But we need to start doing so.

Re: You've got to speak out against the madness.
 

One last rant on this topic...

Another thing we have to do is decouple discussions of racial tensions and the murder of Black youths from politics. Too often, conservatives, Republicans, and even libertarians fail to criticize things like the Garner incident because they assume that's a liberal or Democratic cause. That's twisted thinking.

It's not conservative, or "law and order," for police to murder people. That is much closer to what one would expect in a dictatorship, or a communist regime, than a democratic republic.

It is not govt interference or overreach for the feds to step in and investigate a grand jury fuck up like the Garner affair. Even if you're a live and let die sort with a lifetime subscription to Reason, you can't sit idle before a system in which the state picks who's really free and who isn't by skin color. That stands in opposition to the notion of absolute liberty you profess to support.

And just because Democrats tend to be attracted to the issue doesn't mean you as a Republican must reflexively stay silent (or worse, support the murderers). Some things cross the line. Rand Paul can't be the only Republican out there admitting our justice and prison systems are inherently racist. (In part because he'll fuck it up by saying something frivolous, like the Garner murder is also attributable to cigarette taxes.)

Re: And everybody hates the Jews....
 

Hey Sebby, here's one of the most recent news stories my cousin has posted on Facebook:

With FEMA DHS And 386,000 Foreign Troops on U.S. Soil Will Obama Declare Martial Law in December?

I'm not sure telling him to STFU is going to help -- what do you think?

Re: And everybody hates the Jews....
 

Encourage him to go completely off the grid, so he'll be safe when the Black storm troopers come piling out of their black helicopters. As far off the grid as possible. They can even get to you through your drinking water, you know.

Re: And everybody hates the Jews....
 

What about the guys who sign the FB petition to promise not to vote for him ever again. At first I thought some Onion-esque person started it to show how dumb the average tea-partier is, but then I realized there are mounting a campaign, for real, to defeat him at the polls when he runs for that third term.

Re: And everybody hates the Jews....
 

as to UVa http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/...aders-20141205