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taxwonk 11-17-2008 10:44 PM
Re: Quantum of Solace
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 371418)
one thing about being my age, I saw the Roger Moore movies as they came out. There is no way anything can be as ridiculous as some of those things. they ruined the whole genre for me.
Come back. I had sworn off them after Timothy Dalton. The new wave are grittier, darker, more kicking, punching, and shooting shit; less using super-reflecting magnets on pirated US and Soviet satellites to focus the energy of the entire sun on one attache case in a locker at King's Cross tube station.

Gwink would say they are truer to M. Fleming's original novels.

taxwonk 11-17-2008 10:48 PM
Re: Layoff Lunch
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 371473)
uhh, is your long term memory fading. less would love a lay off and four months severance.
But he has to have something to silence the voices when he's in town.

(It was the reference to dissociative behavior that tipped me off.)

Hank Chinaski 11-17-2008 10:59 PM
no socks want to meet me?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by taxwonk (Post 371476)
But he has to have something to silence the voices when he's in town.

(It was the reference to dissociative behavior that tipped me off.)
less was here once and he didn't have time to meet me. while i was sad, in a way i knew if we'd met it could have led to a bender that would have hurt us both.

soup sandwich 11-18-2008 08:28 AM
Re: Quantum of Solace - Spoiler Alert
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 371382)
I thought that whole movie didn't count. Like it's some sort of unrecognized alternate Bond universe.

TM
On Her Majesty's Secret Service and Bond's marriage very much counts in the Bond movie universe. Who can forget the beginning of For Your Eyes Only with Roger Moore laying flowers on Tracy's grave? Or the awkward moment in Licensed to Kill when Leiter's bride teases Bond about finally getting married someday and Leiter later commenting that Bond had been married once, long ago? I believe Agent XXX in the Spy Who Loved Me also begins to mention Bond's dead wife but Bond cuts her off.

OHMSS is actaully much more watchable than Connery's last two Bond movies (You Only Live Twice and Diamonds are Forever) and 3 out of Moore's last 4 (Moonraker, Octopussy, and A View to a Kill). Lazenby was in his late 20s when it was made (Connery was pushing 50). There is a huge difference in the action/fight scenes because of this. Add in Diana Rigg, a sufficiently menacing Blofeld (Telly Savalas), and some good snow/ski chase scenes and you end up with a very solid Bond movie. The public woud view it as a Top 3 Bond movie if Connery was in it.

The movie which does not count in the Bond universe is Never Say Never Again, which is essentially a remake of Thunderball.

Diane_Keaton 11-18-2008 09:35 AM
Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
Fun stuff at Smoking Gun w/ girl & boy prison inmates finding a design flaw in a separating concrete wall and doing the Sex, drinking the "hooch" (is this a southern prison?) They did a Brady Bunch line-up (minus a row) but too bad they didn't have arrows saying who schtupped who. Whoever got the blond with the full cupid bow lips did well for himself. Go Indianians.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/trutv/thesmo...17082jail1.jpg

Hank Chinaski 11-18-2008 11:16 AM
Re: from stern
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdEKrzcUd9I

sort of funny sex change music video- of course one might turn the volume down if at work

Shape Shifter 11-18-2008 01:21 PM
Re: Quantum of Solace
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 371401)
Really? This is your criticism? Out of all the things in Bond movies to care about, how could something like this bother you? His cars have missiles, oil, smoke, machine guns, hub cap slicing machines, defibrillators and ejector seats, as well as every other contraption that may be handy in any given instance, but you're stuck on the part about the bad guy who has to make a bunch of money playing a high-stakes poker game because Bond fucked up his last money-making scheme, which involved infiltrating airport security to blow up the newest, biggest plane in the world? It's Bond, baby.

TM

That stuff is cool.

Quote:
Now under pressure to recoup his clients' money, Le Chiffre sets up a high-stakes poker tournament at Casino Royale in Montenegro. Hoping that a defeat would force Le Chiffre to aid the British government in exchange for protection from his creditors, MI6 enters Bond into the tournament. He meets up with René Mathis, his ally in Montenegro, and Vesper Lynd, a treasury agent, who is assigned to look after his handling of the government's $10 million buy-in. Vesper does not have the best interest in Bond at first, as she believes that poker is simply a game of luck. As the tournament progresses, Bond believes that Le Chiffre is bluffing on a particular hand, and goes all in, but realizes that Le Chiffre has tricked him, and thus loses his initial stake.

Distraught over his failure, Bond prepares to assassinate Le Chiffre when he is intercepted by one of the other players, who introduces himself as CIA officer Felix Leiter, who is also out to get Le Chiffre. Leiter believes Bond has the skill to beat Le Chiffre and offers to supply him with enough funds to re-enter the tournament in exchange for allowing the CIA custody of Le Chiffre. Back in the game, Bond rapidly recoups his losses. When Le Chiffre and his associates attempt to poison him with digoxin, Bond narrowly survives due to Vesper's intervention by the use of a one-shot defibrillator. Bond wins the tournament on a straight flush. Following her celebratory dinner with Bond, Vesper is abducted by Le Chiffre, who uses her to lure Bond into a near-fatal car chase and ultimate capture. Le Chiffre tortures Bond for the access code to the game's winnings and when it becomes clear that Bond will not yield, Le Chiffre prepares to castrate him. At that moment Mr. White enters and executes Le Chiffre and his associates for their failure. Bond and Vesper are left alive.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale_(2006_film)

This is just stupid. I realize the necessity of a compelling protagonist with obstacles to overcome, a beginning, middle, and end, friends becoming enemies, enemies becoming friends, and a main character who is richer from the experience, but the poker game just doesn't cut it.

Gattigap 11-18-2008 01:31 PM
Re: Quantum of Solace
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shape Shifter (Post 371508)

This is just stupid. I realize the necessity of a compelling protagonist with obstacles to overcome, a beginning, middle, and end, friends becoming enemies, enemies becoming friends, and a main character who is richer from the experience, but the poker game just doesn't cut it.

The poker game thing doesn't bother me.

I'm as big of a fan as anybody of Bond films featuring an evil villian with his lair inside a volcano, because whatever its implausibility, it's fun. Casino Royale's poker game is the means to the end. If you want to complain, I suppose you could complain about the weird plot points in QoS with Quantum doing all this shit just to get a signature on a lease. By comparison, the poker game is very much like a volcano.

Shape Shifter 11-18-2008 01:50 PM
Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
I enjoyed CR, but if they wanted to have a poker scene, they could have woven it into the storyline much more convincingly. It was a pretty transparent effort to just throw in a poker scene because poker was popular at the time. The pitch overwhelmed the plot. It just didn't make sense.

A dude having a lair in a volcano, on the other hand, makes total sense.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-18-2008 02:29 PM
Banco
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shape Shifter (Post 371515)
It was a pretty transparent effort to just throw in a poker scene because poker was popular at the time.
There is just no excuse for departing from Chemin de Fer.

Atticus Grinch 11-18-2008 02:56 PM
Re: Banco
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 371523)
There is just no excuse for departing from Chemin de Fer.
Agreed. I'm equally ignorant of poker and baccarat, but the game as described in the book was about as compelling as a novel can make a card game sound. Plus, the other movies all have him playing baccarat as his preferred casino game. The switch to poker was both to capitalize on the televised poker trend (which was over three years ago anyway) and to make Craig's Bond less debonair (hi, Less!) and more gritty and brutal. They might as well just make him American and be done with it. The whole point of Bond is that he's British and de jure more sophisticated than other killers. He even went to the bother of getting a license, which is, I believe, the most British thing a person can do in this world.

Cletus Miller 11-18-2008 03:04 PM
Re: Banco
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 371528)
He even went to the bother of getting a license, which is, I believe, the most British thing a person can do in this world.
I believe that it would be more British if he had obtained a licence.

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-18-2008 03:14 PM
Re: Banco
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 371528)
He even went to the bother of getting a license, which is, I believe, the most British thing a person can do in this world.
It seems somewhat German to me. But if he was just conferred upon him by HRH, then it is indeed quite British.

LessinSF 11-18-2008 03:14 PM
Re: Banco
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atticus Grinch (Post 371528)
Agreed. I'm equally ignorant of poker and baccarat, but the game as described in the book was about as compelling as a novel can make a card game sound. Plus, the other movies all have him playing baccarat as his preferred casino game. The switch to poker was both to capitalize on the televised poker trend (which was over three years ago anyway) and to make Craig's Bond less debonair (hi, Less!) and more gritty and brutal. They might as well just make him American and be done with it. The whole point of Bond is that he's British and de jure more sophisticated than other killers. He even went to the bother of getting a license, which is, I believe, the most British thing a person can do in this world.
Except for baccarat and chemin de fer are complete and total games of luck.

Penske_Account 11-18-2008 03:17 PM
Re: Banco
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 371523)
There is just no excuse for departing from Chemin de Fer.

I had a nice Verdehlo from down unda' last week, and I daresay, that it would have been appropriate to serve, although not quite as a traditionally continental as a french bottle.

futbol fan 11-18-2008 04:17 PM
Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
How can the fashion board be missing the point of the card game? It gives everyone a chance to dress up, sashay around fancy rooms in eveningwear and comment on each other's clothing ("I see you've changed your shirt") while still being essentially a manly and Coltrane-esque tooth and claw duel to the death (poker, that is, not those other frou frou games).

Bond may look good running around a volcano in a dinner jacket, but who's going to notice the cufflinks and the stylish narrowness of his lapels? Some henchman getting thrown off a catwalk? What do they know, with their jumpsuits? For proper appreciations you have to be sitting down across from your nemesis, preferably with an overmixed drink at your elbow.

The only other adversarial situation that allows for such considered judgment of clothes is a long deposition, which I understand will feature in the next Bond movie, "Modicum Of Insurance Defense."

Hank Chinaski 11-18-2008 04:31 PM
Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ironweed (Post 371547)
How can the fashion board be missing the point of the card game? It gives everyone a chance to dress up, sashay around fancy rooms in eveningwear and comment on each other's clothing ("I see you've changed your shirt") while still being essentially a manly and Coltrane-esque tooth and claw duel to the death (poker, that is, not those other frou frou games).

Bond may look good running around a volcano in a dinner jacket, but who's going to notice the cufflinks and the stylish narrowness of his lapels? Some henchman getting thrown off a catwalk? What do they know, with their jumpsuits? For proper appreciations you have to be sitting down across from your nemesis, preferably with an overmixed drink at your elbow.

The only other adversarial situation that allows for such considered judgment of clothes is a long deposition, which I understand will feature in the next Bond movie, "Modicum Of Insurance Defense."
hamilton academical? you're playing school teams now?

Shape Shifter 11-18-2008 04:37 PM
Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
Yeah, people tend to dress pretty fancy at poker tournaments.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/77/19...cc9670.jpg?v=0

greatwhitenorthchick 11-18-2008 04:39 PM
For the record
 
Just about everyone* on the board today is making some really good points.

*hi hank!

Penske_Account 11-18-2008 04:40 PM
Re: For the record
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 371563)
Just about everyone* on the board today is making some really good points.

*hi hank!
Thanks!

Hank Chinaski 11-18-2008 04:53 PM
Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shape Shifter (Post 371561)
Yeah, people tend to dress pretty fancy at poker tournaments.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/77/19...cc9670.jpg?v=0
Ironweed meant fancy for Europe, not Arkansas.

Oliver_Wendell_Ramone 11-18-2008 05:05 PM
Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 371571)
Ironweed meant fancy for Europe, not Arkansas.
I assumed he was focusing on the "Coltrane-esque" part. Can you imagine the things those people are hiding in their asses?

Hank Chinaski 11-18-2008 05:28 PM
Re: For the record
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 371563)
Just about everyone* on the board today is making some really good points.

*hi hank!
ever considered a relative scale instead of these objective evaluations?

greatwhitenorthchick 11-18-2008 05:43 PM
Re: For the record
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 371580)
ever considered a relative scale instead of these objective evaluations?
I like your avatar!

Atticus Grinch 11-18-2008 06:00 PM
Re: Banco
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LessinSF (Post 371532)
Except for baccarat and chemin de fer are complete and total games of luck.
While again disclaiming any knowledge of these games and taking the point as true, doesn't this actually make them better than poker for their role as plot machinery? Next you'll be telling us that a Maltese Falcon shouldn't be made from the stuff dreams are made of, as the material is soft and prone to corrosion.

Hank Chinaski 11-18-2008 06:06 PM
Re: For the record
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by greatwhitenorthchick (Post 371581)
I like your avatar!
hmmmm.

ThurgreedMarshall 11-18-2008 06:27 PM
Re: Quantum of Solace
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shape Shifter (Post 371508)
That stuff is cool.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_Royale_(2006_film)

This is just stupid. I realize the necessity of a compelling protagonist with obstacles to overcome, a beginning, middle, and end, friends becoming enemies, enemies becoming friends, and a main character who is richer from the experience, but the poker game just doesn't cut it.
I thought it worked just fine. What does Bond need to be? Cool, smart, lucky and always in control. What better way to exhibit that than to show him playing high stakes poker? I mean, it's not baccarat, but it's better than Bond taking on Maximilian Largo in a high stakes game of Berzerk.

TM

Flinty_McFlint 11-18-2008 06:29 PM
Re: Quantum of Solace
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 371592)
I thought it worked just fine. What does Bond need to be? Cool, smart, lucky and always in control. What better way to exhibit that than to show him playing high stakes poker? I mean, it's not baccarat, but it's better than Bond taking on Maximilian Largo in a high stakes game of Berzerk.

TM
But it's not as good as Bond playing Largo in a game of Domination. I'd watch you and Hank play that any day.

ThurgreedMarshall 11-18-2008 06:30 PM
Re: Banco
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) (Post 371523)
There is just no excuse for departing from Chemin de Fer.
That, I can agree with. Though, it's nowhere near as bad as Bond driving a fucking BMW.

TM

Hank Chinaski 11-18-2008 06:38 PM
Re: Quantum of Solace
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flinty_McFlint (Post 371595)
But it's not as good as Bond playing Largo in a game of Domination. I'd watch you and Hank play that any day.
if your checks would start clearing the bank some of us might start taking your fantasies a bit more seriously.

Gattigap 11-18-2008 06:43 PM
Re: Quantum of Solace
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 371599)
if your checks would start clearing the bank some of us might start taking your fantasies a bit more seriously.

Hank, we feel your pain, but know that Flinty's poor account management is just a sign of these desperate times.

Quote:
According to a new survey by Prince & Assoc., more than 80% of multimillionaires who had extra-marital lovers planned to cut back on their gifts and allowances. Still, only 12% of the multimillionaire cheaters said they plan to give up on their lovers altogether for financial reasons.

[...]

Of course, any study of millionaires and their mistresses should be taken with a large grain of salt. The survey–a subset of a larger wealth study–polled 191 individuals with a minimum net worth of $20 million who said they had lovers of at least a year or more (this to screen out the one-night stands, etc.). About two thirds of the respondents were men and one third women. All were married and all had personal control over their finances, meaning the women and men surveyed were the primary wealth holders in their homes.

The most surprising stats in the study relate to gender and what might be termed “length of service.” Fully 82% of men in the study said they planned to lower the allowances to their mistresses, while more than three quarters planned to provide fewer gifts, less expensive gifts and fewer perks, like jet rides, resort vacations and top restaurant meals.

Women were far more generous to their paramours in the face of financial crises. Less than 20% planned to lower allowances, gifts and perks, while more than half planned to raise them.
Apparently the survey didn't include a category for male lovers of male millionaires, but from this little anecdote about Flinty becoming more skimpy on the checks, I think it becomes more possible for one to put the pieces together.

ThurgreedMarshall 11-18-2008 06:43 PM
Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shape Shifter (Post 371561)
Yeah, people tend to dress pretty fancy at poker tournaments.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/77/19...cc9670.jpg?v=0
That is one crowded $10,000,000 buy-in tournament. Where exactly do they play that here?

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 11-18-2008 06:46 PM
Re: Quantum of Solace
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flinty_McFlint (Post 371595)
But it's not as good as Bond playing Largo in a game of Domination. I'd watch you and Hank play that any day.
Come on. You, of all people, should appreciate the Berzerk reference.

Chicken. Fight like a robot.

TM

Mmmm, Burger (C.J.) 11-18-2008 08:09 PM
Re: Quantum of Solace
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flinty_McFlint (Post 371595)
But it's not as good as Bond playing Largo in a game of Domination. I'd watch you and Hank play that any day.
It was much better watching Fatima Blush play that game.

taxwonk 11-18-2008 08:13 PM
Re: Congratulations Slave and Catrin!!!
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 371602)
That is one crowded $10,000,000 buy-in tournament. Where exactly do they play that here?

TM
Facebook.

LessinSF 11-18-2008 08:15 PM
Re: Quantum of Solace
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 371604)
Come on. You, of all people, should appreciate the Berzerk reference.

Chicken. Fight like a robot.

TM
"TOTAL CARNAGE" - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AapB7dW3HA

Replaced_Texan 11-18-2008 08:34 PM
Re: Quantum of Solace
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gattigap (Post 371601)
Hank, we feel your pain, but know that Flinty's poor account management is just a sign of these desperate times.



Apparently the survey didn't include a category for male lovers of male millionaires, but from this little anecdote about Flinty becoming more skimpy on the checks, I think it becomes more possible for one to put the pieces together.
This is my favorite survey ever.

R(*achoo*)T

evenodds 11-18-2008 08:37 PM
Re: Quantum of Solace
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Replaced_Texan (Post 371619)
This is my favorite survey ever.
Sadly, I have found its findings to be true.

Tyrone Slothrop 11-18-2008 09:08 PM
"codpiece!"
 
Thomas Kinkade's 16 Guidelines for Making Stuff Suck

Did you just call me Coltrane? 11-18-2008 10:07 PM
Re: Quantum of Solace - Spoiler Alert
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by robustpuppy (Post 371396)
I have one, my husband has one, and my brother has one, and they have stood up to baby drool, spit up, and regular old water, but nothing more manly than that. They've been knocked around (but not up) quite a bit and still look really good.

P.S. Coltrane, is your wife expecting a boy?
I've got no expectations
To pass through here again.


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