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SEC_Chick 10-12-2016 11:40 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 502918)
Do you get the lucky opportunity to vote for or against the lovely guy who said he'd "think about" not voting for Trump is tape emerged of Trumpy saying, "I like to rape women"?

No, but my congressman isn't much better. He's an embarrassment too. Mr. Chick enjoys going to his local town halls which draw predominantly an audience of people who think he sucks. But he stacks the Q&A with retirees asking about Social Security and Medicare.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-12-2016 02:38 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 502919)
And before this, there was a possibility that NM going Johnson could have thrown the election to the House, which I would have enjoyed if only as a matter of interest to a person with a political science degree. I was working overtime on my NM people to help make that happen.

But that was a couple weeks ago when the national polling was tight. With Hillary up double digits, I think she'll take the electoral college pretty easily.

I would still love to see it go to the House, though.

My dream is Donald Trump coming in third.

The Republican leadership ought to just be happy he's likely too old to run again in 2000. Because Trump completely owns them in Republican primaries.

Next time they just have to worry about Peter Thiel.

Pretty Little Flower 10-12-2016 07:20 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 502921)
My dream is Donald Trump coming in third.

The Republican leadership ought to just be happy he's likely too old to run again in 2000. Because Trump completely owns them in Republican primaries.

Next time they just have to worry about Peter Thiel.

And me. Those fuckers better worry about me. I'm a loose cannon and I like to grab a little you-know-what. 'Cuz I'm a star! ;) ;) ;)

Here is some laid back Cymande. "Brother on the Slide." Today's Daily Dose:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZP2Uk9vlxY

SEC_Chick 10-12-2016 07:47 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 502927)
And me. Those fuckers better worry about me. I'm a loose cannon and I like to grab a little you-know-what. 'Cuz I'm a star! ;) ;) ;)

And perhaps you can expose a greater audience to an evolution of your old theme: Blow Me For America. Perhaps: Blow Me To Make America Great Again.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-12-2016 08:42 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 502928)
And perhaps you can expose a greater audience to an evolution of your old theme: Blow Me For America. Perhaps: Blow Me To Make America Great Again.

Wasn't that Less?

Hank Chinaski 10-12-2016 10:00 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 502929)
Wasn't that Less?

2. Flower never solicited.

SEC_Chick 10-12-2016 10:30 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 502930)
2. Flower never solicited.

That's right! His was unsolicited, women just came up and did it.

It's amazing the crap from this board that I can recall with almost photographic clarity, like how Chef used Q-tips to clean his ears, and the things I have forgotten.

In any case, I am sure that a Flower/Less ticket could compromise on a slogan.

ETA that I vaguely recall a reference to crusty Dockers, but I may be making that up. In any case, it's still way less gross than Trump.

Pretty Little Flower 10-13-2016 10:28 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 502930)
2. Flower never solicited.

I believe the full phrase was "unsolicited, no-strings-attached fellatio." People always focused on the "unsolicited" part, but for me, the magic is in the "no-stings-attached."

ThurgreedMarshall 10-13-2016 10:57 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Pretty Little Flower (Post 502932)
I believe the full phrase was "unsolicited, no-strings-attached fellatio." People always focused on the "unsolicited" part, but for me, the magic is in the "no-stings-attached."

No stings at the very fucking least.

TM

Pretty Little Flower 10-13-2016 11:35 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 502933)
No stings at the very fucking least.

TM

True dat. That is a lower bar than I intended to set.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-13-2016 12:42 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
http://pixel.nymag.com/imgs/daily/in...10.h473.2x.jpg

ThurgreedMarshall 10-13-2016 03:18 PM

Interesting Perspective
 
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reason...e-talks-about/

TM

Adder 10-13-2016 04:57 PM

Re: Interesting Perspective
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 502936)

Okay, but Charles Murray will tell you that hard work and families are values that are actually better expressed in those blue areas.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-13-2016 05:22 PM

Re: Interesting Perspective
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 502936)

Well, yeah, except for the rural areas that are heavily minority in the South and Southwest, and a few other places, and except for large sections of the more "urban" burbs that are full of reds....

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-13-2016 05:24 PM

Re: Interesting Perspective
 
nm

Pretty Little Flower 10-13-2016 05:59 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop (Post 502935)
[Trumpy]

Look at those perfect, tiny-fingered, P-grabbing hands!

It's James Brown Thursday on the Daily Dose. For your listening pleasure, Brother Rapp, Pts. 1 and 2. The Collins brothers keep the groove flowing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-NqaT75Xkc

Hank Chinaski 10-13-2016 11:41 PM

Re: Interesting Perspective
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 502937)
Okay, but Charles Murray will tell you that hard work and families are values that are actually better expressed in those blue areas.

what does this mean?

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-14-2016 10:50 AM

Re: Interesting Perspective
 
Paul Ryan's Song

First they game for the immigrants,
And I did nothing because immigrants vote Dem anyways,
Then they came for the trans,
And I did nothing because, hey, trans?! Ick.
Then they came for voting rights,
And I gave a hand because, hey, blacks voting can't be good,
Then they came for the women,
And I did nothing because repeal the 19th has a nice ring to it,
Then they came for the Republicans...
What!!! Wait a minute! Oh Shit!

Adder 10-14-2016 10:51 AM

Re: Interesting Perspective
 
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Originally Posted by Hank Chinaski (Post 502941)
what does this mean?

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Looking at America Mr. Murray sees a country increasingly polarized into two culturally and geographically isolated demographics. In Belmont, the fictional name Mr. Murray gives to the part of America where the top 20 percent live, divorce is low, the work ethic is strong, religious observance is high, and out-of-wedlock births are all but unheard of. Meanwhile in Fishtown, where the bottom 30 percent live, what Mr. Murray calls America’s four “founding virtues” — marriage, industriousness, community and faith — have all but collapsed.
link

sebastian_dangerfield 10-14-2016 11:21 AM

Re: Interesting Perspective
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 502943)

Murray's right, but his geography's off a bit. The affluent everywhere are doing better because, as I think he cites elsewhere in his explanation, they engage in assortative mating.

With the exception of one night stands and Vegas, social climbers don't fuck downward. When committing, they demand the badges telecasting a spouse of equal footing on the social ladder. This phenomenon obviously isn't limited to cities.

We're segregating into a top 20-30% and a bottom 70-80%. We all kind of knew this for a long time, but the demarcation is becoming steeper, and Trump's put a hell of a spotlight on it.

sebastian_dangerfield 10-14-2016 11:36 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 502901)
So I forget who it was, Thurgreed maybe, who was so certain that despite me talking a big game against Trump I would vote for him anyway, that needless to say, I am not voting Trump. I would have voted Libertarian if the Libertarians had nominated someone who is actually Libertarian, but I can't bring myself to vote Johnson/Weld either. I looked at the Constitution Party too, and unfortunately they have some ideas that are totally crackpot in their platform, even by my standards.

So, for anyone waiting on pins and needles, Evan McMullin has qualified as a write-in candidate in Texas, so that's the only thing I can do in good conscience. I hope I can figure out how to actually do a write in on the machine, since this will only be my second time not voting straight party, and my vote for Nader was absentee, IIRC. I'm going to vote on the first day of early voting, as always, and then hope that I can be in a coma or something until 2020.

I no longer consider myself to be R at all, so I will have to do a bit of work on the down ballot races as well to determine the best candidate.

I know it won't make a difference, but I have to try... So, um, please vote for Johnson. Pretty please?

He's polling nationally at 9%. If he can get into double digits, that's a huge boost to Libertarianism. Sure, he's not a real Libertarian. I get that. But nobody is. Nobody's a "real" anything because govt inevitably requires compromise. Every vote for Johnson (or Stein, is you've Green sympathies) is a vote against the two party system that's given us this pair of deplorable pieces of shit from which to choose.

McMullin is a bespoke Utah candidate. A vote for him is a novelty vote. It is truly throwing away your ballot. Johnson and Weld may not be exactly what you demand or expect, but they're closer than anybody else on the stage, and they get that word we're all forgetting... that word that progressives and right-wingers ignore... back into the election lexicon: "Liberty."

I'm happily and proudly voting for Johnson, clueless as he might be. I'd implore you to do the same. Because in case you aren't paying attention, you have a quasi-criminal statist cipher running against a con man with dictatorial leanings. You think it's going to get any better next cycle? You probably think the choice couldn't be any shittier than these two. You're wrong. It can, and it will. If a third party doesn't emerge, we're fucked. Johnson and Stein are carrying the flags of the only alternative parties which can put reasonable numbers on the board. I view the decision to vote for one of the two of them as the only logical and ethically defensible choice.

Johnson 2016. Or Stein 2016. Do what you know is right.

SEC_Chick 10-14-2016 11:49 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 502954)
I know it won't make a difference, but I have to try... So, um, please vote for Johnson. Pretty please?

He's polling nationally at 9%. If he can get into double digits, that's a huge boost to Libertarianism. Sure, he's not a real Libertarian. I get that. But nobody is. Nobody's a "real" anything because govt inevitably requires compromise. Every vote for Johnson (or Stein, is you've Green sympathies) is a vote against the two party system that's given us this pair of deplorable pieces of shit from which to choose.

McMullin is a bespoke Utah candidate. A vote for him is a novelty vote. It is truly throwing away your ballot. Johnson and Weld may not be exactly what you demand or expect, but they're closer than anybody else on the stage, and they get that word we're all forgetting... that word that progressives and right-wingers ignore... back into the election lexicon: "Liberty."

I'm happily and proudly voting for Johnson, clueless as he might be. I'd implore you to do the same. Because in case you aren't paying attention, you have a quasi-criminal statist cipher running against a con man with dictatorial leanings. You think it's going to get any better next cycle? You probably think the choice couldn't be any shittier than these two. You're wrong. It can, and it will. If a third party doesn't emerge, we're fucked. Johnson and Stein are carrying the flags of the only alternative parties which can put reasonable numbers on the board. I view the decision to vote for one of the two of them as the only logical and ethically defensible choice.

Johnson 2016. Or Stein 2016. Do what you know is right.

I will say that I struggled really hard with voting Johnson. The Libertarians that I do like acknowledge that he sucks (though Weld is worse) and have begged me to vote for him to help the cause of Libertarianism in the future. Seriously, if they'd nominated Peterson, or even Ron Paul, I'd be all over it. No promises, but it remains a persuasive argument that I will continue to consider. Either way, my vote won't matter, but I also would like the Libertarians to be motivated to nominate a better candidate. It's not even the Aleppo stuff, it's just seems that Johnson doesn't appear to 'get' a lot of Libertarian values.

Adder 10-14-2016 11:52 AM

Re: Interesting Perspective
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 502945)
Murray's right, but his geography's off a bit.

He's right that the stereotype of amoral affluence is wrong. He's wrong about everything else.

Adder 10-14-2016 11:56 AM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 502954)
Every vote for Johnson (or Stein, is you've Green sympathies) is a vote against the two party system

You wild-eyed optimist, you.

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If a third party doesn't emerge, we're fucked.
The only way a third party will emerge is if conservatives leave the GOP to the Trumpist racists. Which will mean ceding a bunch of elections to the Dems for awhile.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-14-2016 12:13 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 502954)
I know it won't make a difference, but I have to try... So, um, please vote for Johnson. Pretty please?

He's polling nationally at 9%. If he can get into double digits, that's a huge boost to Libertarianism. Sure, he's not a real Libertarian. I get that. But nobody is. Nobody's a "real" anything because govt inevitably requires compromise. Every vote for Johnson (or Stein, is you've Green sympathies) is a vote against the two party system that's given us this pair of deplorable pieces of shit from which to choose.

McMullin is a bespoke Utah candidate. A vote for him is a novelty vote. It is truly throwing away your ballot. Johnson and Weld may not be exactly what you demand or expect, but they're closer than anybody else on the stage, and they get that word we're all forgetting... that word that progressives and right-wingers ignore... back into the election lexicon: "Liberty."

I'm happily and proudly voting for Johnson, clueless as he might be. I'd implore you to do the same. Because in case you aren't paying attention, you have a quasi-criminal statist cipher running against a con man with dictatorial leanings. You think it's going to get any better next cycle? You probably think the choice couldn't be any shittier than these two. You're wrong. It can, and it will. If a third party doesn't emerge, we're fucked. Johnson and Stein are carrying the flags of the only alternative parties which can put reasonable numbers on the board. I view the decision to vote for one of the two of them as the only logical and ethically defensible choice.

Johnson 2016. Or Stein 2016. Do what you know is right.


This is why there will never be a successful American third party, other than one that is stepping into a void left by one of the two main parties disintegrating.

Third party voters are a very dispersed lot. Mormon conservatives sure ain't libertarians sure ain't vac-truther eco-nuts sure ain't alt-right neo-nazis (who will be back to third party wanna bes if they fail in their current quest to take over the Rs).

At the end of the day, they're all irrelevant, interesting mostly as curiosities.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-14-2016 12:14 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 502958)
The only way a third party will emerge is if conservatives leave the GOP to the Trumpist racists. Which will mean ceding a bunch of elections to the Dems for awhile.

If that occurs, whatever new party the conservatives call home will ultimately take over from the Republicans, but probably only after the alt-right goes on a spree of violence that will make the lynching years look tame.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-14-2016 01:06 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 502954)
I know it won't make a difference, but I have to try... So, um, please vote for Johnson. Pretty please?

He's polling nationally at 9%. If he can get into double digits, that's a huge boost to Libertarianism. Sure, he's not a real Libertarian. I get that. But nobody is. Nobody's a "real" anything because govt inevitably requires compromise. Every vote for Johnson (or Stein, is you've Green sympathies) is a vote against the two party system that's given us this pair of deplorable pieces of shit from which to choose.

McMullin is a bespoke Utah candidate. A vote for him is a novelty vote. It is truly throwing away your ballot. Johnson and Weld may not be exactly what you demand or expect, but they're closer than anybody else on the stage, and they get that word we're all forgetting... that word that progressives and right-wingers ignore... back into the election lexicon: "Liberty."

I'm happily and proudly voting for Johnson, clueless as he might be. I'd implore you to do the same. Because in case you aren't paying attention, you have a quasi-criminal statist cipher running against a con man with dictatorial leanings. You think it's going to get any better next cycle? You probably think the choice couldn't be any shittier than these two. You're wrong. It can, and it will. If a third party doesn't emerge, we're fucked. Johnson and Stein are carrying the flags of the only alternative parties which can put reasonable numbers on the board. I view the decision to vote for one of the two of them as the only logical and ethically defensible choice.

Johnson 2016. Or Stein 2016. Do what you know is right.

We're not going to get a meaningful third party because our Constitution essentially establishes a two-party system. Congressional districts and Senate seats are single seats going to the winner, and this means that voting for a third party is pissing away your vote. A third party that wins 20% everywhere will not be represented in the government, and people will stop voting for it quickly. The only way a third party is going to get any traction is if it can get a majority of voters in some region, and in our country that will mean the South, which I suspect is not the kind of third party you want.

What you really want is a new GOP, one that decides that it can't win on its Trumpist slide and goes in a different direction. To get it, you should vote for Democrats until the GOP comes around.

ThurgreedMarshall 10-14-2016 01:21 PM

An easy path to a Trump victory
 
http://67.media.tumblr.com/ef53cd22e...zoto1_1280.png

TM

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-14-2016 01:30 PM

Re: An easy path to a Trump victory
 
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Originally Posted by ThurgreedMarshall (Post 502962)

Yeah. We need to open some borders. For the good of all of us.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-14-2016 01:35 PM

Re: An easy path to a Trump victory
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 502963)
Yeah. We need to open some borders. For the good of all of us.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...icker_1972.gif

Adder 10-14-2016 01:38 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
A thought I've not been able to articulate fully: the reaction to Trump's alleged groping from the right reveals something about how much some people care about sexual assault. Like, the only thing that matters about the effect on politics. The Clinton accusers are valuable because they can help Trump, so the thinking goes, and the Trump accusers are liars trying to offset it. As if the underlying conduct isn't the issue.

It's the same as racism. They think it's just a thing that libtard accuse them to score political points.

Some actual conservatives have learned from Trump that this isn't true. Has anyone learned anything about how we treat women?

SEC_Chick 10-14-2016 01:46 PM

Re: An easy path to a Trump victory
 
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Originally Posted by Greedy,Greedy,Greedy (Post 502963)
Yeah. We need to open some borders. For the good of all of us.

Or, in the alternative, you could let only women vote and it would look pretty much the same.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-14-2016 01:46 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by Adder (Post 502965)
A thought I've not been able to articulate fully: the reaction to Trump's alleged groping from the right reveals something about how much some people care about sexual assault. Like, the only thing that matters about the effect on politics. The Clinton accusers are valuable because they can help Trump, so the thinking goes, and the Trump accusers are liars trying to offset it. As if the underlying conduct isn't the issue.

It's the same as racism. They think it's just a thing that libtard accuse them to score political points.

Some actual conservatives have learned from Trump that this isn't true. Has anyone learned anything about how we treat women?

Read this. People's views about particular issues are often formed by their political allegiances.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-14-2016 01:56 PM

Re: An easy path to a Trump victory
 
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Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 502966)
Or, in the alternative, you could let only women vote and it would look pretty much the same.

It doesn't really need to be either/or now, does it?

sebastian_dangerfield 10-14-2016 02:49 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Adder (Post 502965)
A thought I've not been able to articulate fully: the reaction to Trump's alleged groping from the right reveals something about how much some people care about sexual assault. Like, the only thing that matters about the effect on politics. The Clinton accusers are valuable because they can help Trump, so the thinking goes, and the Trump accusers are liars trying to offset it. As if the underlying conduct isn't the issue.

It's the same as racism. They think it's just a thing that libtard accuse them to score political points.

Some actual conservatives have learned from Trump that this isn't true. Has anyone learned anything about how we treat women?

I'll say it: The Access Hollywood thing has 0.0000 impact on me. I vote on policy. Trump has few, and those he does have change by the week. Clinton also has no policies save those whatever crowd she's in front of at the moment wants to hear. And she'll raise taxes. I don't care that her husband is a sex fiend.

If Trump wasn't a mess, and had good policies, I'd vote for him. If Hillary did, I'd vote for her. His and her spouse's deviant behaviors are selling points for low information voters. It's gross, yes, but whatever. We've got a lot more important shit to worry about than the lurid sexual brags and cigar-cunnilingus of a pair of old men.

Our country's heading into a recession. We have no tools left to fix this. And we're talking about... dirty old men. Fuck us. As Mencken noted, our frivolous population deserves to get the fruits of its democracy... good and hard

ThurgreedMarshall 10-14-2016 02:54 PM

Re: An easy path to a Trump victory
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SEC_Chick (Post 502966)
Or, in the alternative, you could let only women vote and it would look pretty much the same.

http://i2.wp.com/espnfivethirtyeight...ll&w=575&ssl=1

TM

ThurgreedMarshall 10-14-2016 02:56 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 502969)
I'll say it: The Access Hollywood thing has 0.0000 impact on me. I vote on policy. Trump has few, and those he does have change by the week. Clinton also has no policies save those whatever crowd she's in front of at the moment wants to hear. And she'll raise taxes. I don't care that her husband is a sex fiend.

If Trump wasn't a mess, and had good policies, I'd vote for him. If Hillary did, I'd vote for her. His and her spouse's deviant behaviors are selling points for low information voters. It's gross, yes, but whatever. We've got a lot more important shit to worry about than the lurid sexual brags and cigar-cunnilingus of a pair of old men.

Our country's heading into a recession. We have no tools left to fix this. And we're talking about... dirty old men. Fuck us. As Mencken noted, our frivolous population deserves to get the fruits of its democracy... good and hard

I was going to write a whole big response, but then I came to my fucking senses.

TM

Adder 10-14-2016 03:15 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 502969)
I'll say it: The Access Hollywood thing has 0.0000 impact on me.

I mean, it had zero impact on me too, but that doesn't make it not appalling and disqualifying. Especially now that there are accounts of him actually doing what he said he does.

Which, of course, leads someone like me to have to ponder whether we'd vote again for Bill Clinton in today's world. I'd like to think not, but I might be fooling myself.

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I vote on policy.
You need to read Ty's link and apply some introspection.

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If Trump wasn't a mess, and had good policies, I'd vote for him.
It would have been much shorter to write, "I do not care about women being sexually assaulted."

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We've got a lot more important shit to worry about than the lurid sexual brags
Like, perhaps the safety of women?

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Our country's heading into a recession.
As usual, your economic predictions are crap.

Tyrone Slothrop 10-14-2016 03:22 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by sebastian_dangerfield (Post 502969)
Clinton also has no policies save those whatever crowd she's in front of at the moment wants to hear.

This is the loopiest thing you have said in quite some time. Go nuts reading all of this, and thank me later.

eta: The bigger point is that unless the House and Senate flip, she has no chance of getting legislation passed, so it may not matter. Happily, Trump's implosion may give us a government prepared to do something.

eat: Krugman today:

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I don’t know why so many pundits claim that Mrs. Clinton lacks a vision for America, when she has actually provided an unusual level of detail on her website and in speeches.

Broadly speaking, she would significantly strengthen the social safety net, especially for the very poor and children, with an emphasis on family-related issues like parental leave. Such programs would cost money, although not as much as critics claim; she proposes, credibly, to raise that money with higher taxes on top incomes, so that the overall effect would be to reduce inequality.

Democratic control of the House would also open the door for large-scale infrastructure investment. If that seems feasible, I know that many progressive economists — myself included — will urge Mrs. Clinton to go significantly bigger than she is currently proposing.

If all of this sounds to you like a second round of what President Obama did in 2009-2010, that’s because it is. And why not? Despite Republican obstruction, Mr. Obama has presided over a remarkable rise in the number of Americans with health insurance, a significant decline in poverty and the creation of more than 11 million private-sector jobs.

Greedy,Greedy,Greedy 10-14-2016 03:32 PM

Re: I used to be disgusted, and now I try to be amused.
 
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Originally Posted by thurgreedmarshall (Post 502971)
i was going to write a whole big response, but then i came to my fucking senses.

Tm

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