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In fairness to Wonk, you said it wasn't about his personal preferences but then used those preferences to illustrate a point about "beauty standards" in the culture. I can understand why Wonk's defensive about it. Being told you're only baseline racist is cold comfort. And I'm very sure that white men's historical willingness to bang women of color has always served as a poor barometer of personal merit.

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What was the point of that post? To show that you are attracted to women of color, provided they are either skanky or starving?

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Just because a woman is wearing an undersized Beadazzled bustier doesn't mean . . . Wait, yes it does.

The woman on the right is lovely but agree she could use a sandwich.

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Dig a little deeper

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the one chick has an adam's apple....

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Of course. Because he was clearly lying when he produced his second list. He doesn't find those women attractive. He only drafted that list to appear less racist.

Seriously, why do white people have to have their hands held when it comes to this stuff? I am not calling Wonk racist. One's preferences (subconscious or not) are based on legitimate reasons, whether it be the forty whatever years he's been bombarded with white images of beauty, whether he grew up with white women and finds their skin and features to be more attractive based on that kind of personal exposure, whatever. Hell, black people have the same issues when it comes to Society's beauty standards.

The only point I'm making is that the collective effect of those preferences have real consequences for those who don't fit. And when I argue with Sebby about the acceptable black beauties (who have white features) or with Adder, who likes a girl with no ass,* I think it's interesting for them to have this example in the back of their mind. If you want to continue to focus on how unfair I'm being to Wonk (and I truly don't think I have been), go for it.

But what is amazing is what you seem to focus on. Did you even stop to think, "Hmmmm. It is kind of interesting that Wonk could list 9 pasty white women before thinking of a different color?" Or did you read the exchange and immediately start formulating an argument in defense of poor Wonk who is being unfairly accused of racism? Forget that it was anyone you know. Is there nothing substantive to be said about the choices in the list?

White men's desire to bang women of color isn't at issue. It's who white men conjure up in their head when you ask them who they'd like to bang that is the issue. It's the preference that we're talking about.

TM

*Yes, I realize Adder and I never actually argued about this.

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Or male?

TM

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And next, let's address your interest in chicks with dicks, shall we?

TM

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Holy shit, I just had a chilling thought. I happen to know from other sources that Wonk has a friend-of-a-friend connection to Jennifer Aniston. And we know from his Playboy interview that John Mayer, who also banged Jennifer Aniston, has a "David Duke cock." What if Wonk has not only met Aniston, but banged her? And what if Jennifer Aniston's vagina actually turns your cock racist? What if her hoo-hah exerts some kind of magic that's the opposite of "once you go black"? I really feel someone needs to warn Angelina Jolie about this, because with her especially vulnerable kids around, it would really matter a lot if Aniston's vagina makes your whole body racist, or just your pee-pee, which might turn out okay for those kids IYKWIM.

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That's not what pissed me off. It was your choice of Ariizona, the one state in the nation that refused to make Martin Luther King's birthday a holiday. The state that was recently in the news (and the reason it was the state you chose) for adopting racial profiling as an open and acceptable policy.

Think about it, dude. You might as well have called me Fuzzy Zoeller. That's what pissed me off.

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They prefer to be thought of as lovely women of color. The dick's just keeping the bitches down.

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Geez -- first you call Wonk racist because he likes pasty white women, and now you're calling him sexist?



NB: Just to be clear, the above is a joke. A bad one, but whatever. I understand perfectly well your statement that Wonk's first list reflected the effects of cultural beauty standards, which are generally white standards (especially if one is as deeply fucking old as Wonk). I didn't think you were accusing him of racism, or even of latent racism. To the contrary, if you thought he was racist then your point would lose it's strength -- because the point is that even people who are not racist have internalized those standards to an extent. Hell, even African-Americans have internalized those standards to an extent -- isn't that why Malcolm X felt it so necessary to tell black people that they were beautiful, that "your skin looks like gold compared to the white man's skin"?

I provide the above note in the interests of avoiding another trip to your ignore list....

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Sure wish you had taken the red pill, huh?

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Well I, erm, uh . . . Fuck it. Give the guy on the right a sandwich and I would hit that. And then I would make a Top 40 hit telling you all about it, with Gaga and Timbaland. I'm thinking of calling it "Beauty Standards."

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Come on, Wonkster! I was giving you shit using Arizona, which is a timely reference. I really don't believe that you think it was any more than that. But if I'm wrong, I'm sorry. Definitely not my intention. The few times that you've made jokes about black people (even one I think you might have pm-ed me about) have never gotten this kind of reaction out of me because I knew you were bullshitting me. That's where I thought we were.

TM